My first bin...

**cowboyz** · 12th July 2008, 08:55

here come the excuses. oops I mean reasons........

**Dakara** · 12th July 2008, 09:00

Originally Posted by cowboyz

here come the excuses. oops I mean reasons........

Really? Where? If you could point them out to me would be much appreciated, because I'm pretty sure I stated right from the first post that I fucked up. But perhaps I am mistaken

**Katman** · 12th July 2008, 09:13

Originally Posted by TOTO

You are a safe rider.

From what has been written on here I'd suggest otherwise. Anyone who admits to being inexperienced but claims to "really hang off" their bike and then allows themselves to be taken well past their comfort zone is anything but safe.

**Dakara** · 12th July 2008, 09:27

Originally Posted by Katman

From what has been written on here I'd suggest otherwise. Anyone who admits to being inexperienced but claims to "really hang off" their bike and then allows themselves to be taken well past their comfort zone is anything but safe.

Was wondering when I'd hear from you.... but for the most part I agree with you. Letting myself ride out of my comfort zone just to "Keep up" is about as safe as a game of Russian roulette.

As for 'Hanging off the Hyo" it's how I've been cornering the thing since day 1 as it's so bloody heavy. Working at Ardmore, I frequently come home via Clevedon -> Maraitai -> Whitford which is where I've been getting my cornering practice. Obviously building a false sense of confidence which contributed to the accident on an unfamiliar road.

**CookMySock** · 12th July 2008, 10:28

Originally Posted by Dakara

Broke my wrist on the initial impact as it was crushed between the bike and the truck.

AHAAA! Never put your hand between a crashing bike and truck!!

Originally Posted by Dakara

I really hang off the Hyo, and the problem with that is once I'm locked into the corner I can't really adjust my lines... Something I hope to learn on the track.

I went through the same thing. My learner son is having the same difficulties.

The critical thing to do here is to steer with the bars. Pretty much you can ignore all the gymnastics and just steer with the bars. Then just look where you want to go, pay zero attention your angle of lean, and just steer - its that simple.

DB

**Dakara** · 12th July 2008, 10:33

Originally Posted by DangerousBastard

AHAAA! Never put your hand between a crashing bike and truck!!

I went through the same thing. My learner son is having the same difficulties.

The critical thing to do here is to steer with the bars. Pretty much you can ignore all the gymnastics and just steer with the bars. Then just look where you want to go, pay zero attention your angle of lean, and just steer - its that simple.

DB

Yea, the one problem I had with the Hyo Vs others I've ridden was the C of G felt too high, and steering with the bars alone wasn't enough... of course the answer to solve that problem was simply to slow down more, opposed to putting the knee down. Well, on the road anyway.

**TOTO** · 12th July 2008, 10:35

Originally Posted by Katman

From what has been written on here I'd suggest otherwise. Anyone who admits to being inexperienced but claims to "really hang off" their bike and then allows themselves to be taken well past their comfort zone is anything but safe.

well we all develope persolanl riding styles. When I had my hyo, I also had to lean right off it and it felt safe to do so. Now leaning off the hornet is not so neseserry as as the bike is way more balanced and than the hyo and the weight is down low.

I'm far from the taught that I will win an argument with Mr. Karman coz he is "always Right"

. I know what Dakara is talking about tho

**offrd** · 12th July 2008, 23:49

Lucky to be alive man......

Anyone that gets out of a bin alive is lucky.

Looks like the hoyobag hit a bomb!

Heal well!

**TOTO** · 12th July 2008, 23:59

Looked even more blown up in real llife. Insane luck I tell ya.

**Dakara** · 13th July 2008, 02:46

Originally Posted by TOTO

Looked even more blown up in real llife. Insane luck I tell ya.

Yea, I really wish it wasn't luck however... knowing your alive, not because of your gear or because of how you reacted, but simply because of "Luck" is a bit of mind job.

I'm contemplating canceling the CBR order and just buying a replacement for not much more than the Hyo insurance. Since I'm going to be taking it easy for a while, dropping nearly $17k (which I'm stretched to afford anyway) on a new supersports bike after a "Lucky" bin like that seems a bit... excessive?

Have been surfing the online 2nd hand market looking at VFR's as I've read they're a great sports tourer. And since the most enjoyable riding for me is cruising with the GF riding Pillion it could be the best option. Problem is we're both sucker for the rice rockets, and in love with new CBR600RR (hence why I ordered one pre-bin)

But hey, mind may change tomorrow. I'm sure we all get a bit philosophical after a nasty bin.

**motorbyclist** · 13th July 2008, 04:28

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...x?id=164852502

(600cc/120hp is more than the average rider needs anyway; once power exceeds traction what's the point?)

as for hanging off the bike, i do it all the time; i find when a corner tightens it's easier and faster to lay the bike over than try to shift my weight on a bike that's already on it's side

good to see you're doing well and know exactly what you did wrong - i was about to head back to see who had crashed when we got the call

**motorbyclist** · 13th July 2008, 04:40

holy crap i just noticed the right hand handlebar has been completely broken off! lucky you've still got both hands mate!

most unintentionally funny comment of the year goes to...

Originally Posted by fireball

wow those pictures are ...moving, there isnt much plastic on those naked bikes but it sure as hell looks like you smashed most of it off!

that wasn't a naked bike

and most arrogant comment of the of the year goes to...

Originally Posted by cowboyz

Originally Posted by Dakara

But that's one thing the attending officer said to me. Rain + Coro = Diesel slick probably why my leathers weren't really scraped.

here come the excuses. oops I mean reasons........

he already admitted it was entirely his fault. the paramedic's slick observation was directed at the lack of damage to gear, not to do with cause of accident at all. post therefore based on false assumptions contrary to content in thread, and completely useless in the context of learning from mistakes.

it's getting to the point now where people aren't posting up bins purely because they can't be fucked dealing with idiots abusing them for shit they admit to being their own fault, or was completely out of their control but for their decision to ride on that road at over 30kph that day. We ALL lose when this happens; the rider may not learn from advice given in context of crash, other riders can't learn from another person's mistakes, and we don't get to check out pics of annihilated hyosungs

contructive criticism is welcome, harrassment based on assumptions is not

there. it's been said. may KB forever improve from now on.

**Dakara** · 13th July 2008, 05:31

Originally Posted by motorbyclist

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...x?id=164852502

(600cc/120hp is more than the average rider needs anyway; once power exceeds traction what's the point?)

as for hanging off the bike, i do it all the time; i find when a corner tightens it's easier and faster to lay the bike over than try to shift my weight on a bike that's already on it's side

good to see you're doing well and know exactly what you did wrong - i was about to head back to see who had crashed when we got the call

Well once a bike gets to a certain age I'm not interested. I'm not much of a mechanic, and even if I was I don't have time. Same reason why I sold my '94 ZZR250 for the Hyo once it started developing problems.

I was thinking more along the lines of http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...x?id=139777728

Yea it's an 800, but CC's don't really concern me as I'm not one to twist the wrist to far.... especially when the other half is on the back. Reason I'm looking at VFR's is I'll be doing more touring than twisties, especially come summer. Also, that one above would save me $5k. It's funny, before I binned, shelling for a new CBR600 was no prob, now, I can't seem to justify it even though the insurance payout will be more than I was trading it for.

However, I've ridden a few CBR600RR's but not a VFR of any year so may not like it anyway. Wont make a decision yet, no point while I'm in plaster. However need to cancel the CBR order and (try) get my deposit back regardless as I need to see a specialist for my wrist (damage to previous reconstruction) and thats gonna cost a few thou atleast

So, with the incoming medical bills and realization of mortality I'm not as keen to drop so much money on a bike that 75% of my riding will be commuting on as riding aint my only weekend adrenaline rush. Think I'll set a budget and go shopping opposed to going shopping and making the budget fit (like I did)

**ital916** · 13th July 2008, 07:35

Originally Posted by Dakara

Well once a bike gets to a certain age I'm not interested. I'm not much of a mechanic, and even if I was I don't have time. Same reason why I sold my '94 ZZR250 for the Hyo once it started developing problems.

I was thinking more along the lines of http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...x?id=139777728

Yea it's an 800, but CC's don't really concern me as I'm not one to twist the wrist to far.... especially when the other half is on the back. Reason I'm looking at VFR's is I'll be doing more touring than twisties, especially come summer. Also, that one above would save me $5k. It's funny, before I binned, shelling for a new CBR600 was no prob, now, I can't seem to justify it even though the insurance payout will be more than I was trading it for.

However, I've ridden a few CBR600RR's but not a VFR of any year so may not like it anyway. Wont make a decision yet, no point while I'm in plaster. However need to cancel the CBR order and (try) get my deposit back regardless as I need to see a specialist for my wrist (damage to previous reconstruction) and thats gonna cost a few thou atleast

So, with the incoming medical bills and realization of mortality I'm not as keen to drop so much money on a bike that 75% of my riding will be commuting on as riding aint my only weekend adrenaline rush. Think I'll set a budget and go shopping opposed to going shopping and making the budget fit (like I did)

Sounds like your absorbing what happened well and are now thinking with the brain and not the balls when it comes to choosing the next bike haha. If you wanna go bike shopping dude drop me a pm I'm keen to come look at some.

Just take it easy and heal up well. Like toto said, confidence will be the biggest problem, you may not feel it but next time you go around a tight right hander in the rain your heart willl be pumping, same thing happened to me. Take it easy, we'll see you on the road.