VMCC Round III points question.

[White trash]

Hoping one of our top notch VMCC officials can shed some light on a query I have from yesterdays racings points taly.

From http://www.mylaps.com/results/newResults.jsp?id=885087 it shows the second Superbike race points split in half after a red flag on lap three of the 10.

Why does the crasher causing the red flag get credited with second place for that part of the race, gaining 11 points for it?

No disrespect to Sam, I hope he's feeling better but I'm not sure how the system works. Especially so early in the race, I could perhaps understand is we were 2/3 of the way through or some thing. Anyone wanna explain?

Chur.

[Shaun]

Hoping one of our top notch VMCC officials can shed some light on a query I have from yesterdays racings points taly.

From http://www.mylaps.com/results/newResults.jsp?id=885087 it shows the second Superbike race points split in half after a red flag on lap three of the 10.

Why does the crasher causing the red flag get credited with second place for that part of the race, gaining 11 points for it?

No disrespect to Sam, I hope he's feeling better but I'm not sure how the system works. Especially so early in the race, I could perhaps understand is we were 2/3 of the way through or some thing. Anyone wanna explain?

Chur.

NOT A TOP NOTCH VMCC MEMBER, but an old has been, who knows the rule book well mate


Simply because the results stand from the lap before the RED flag was put out, even if the rider who causes the flag is out!!

WSS, just stay lying on the ground long enough, and RE start will be had, with all the NON injured crashed riders.

SAM WHO CRASHED, and is he OK??

[White trash]

Suspected cracked wrist yesterday, dunno how he's doin yet.

Got tossed off the top of the R6 comin outta Higgens, poor bastard. He has worse luck than any other racer I reckon.

[kickingzebra]

bugger!! yeah, it is a rooted rule, but it is a rule.
a bit crap down there huh?

[Shaun]

Suspected cracked wrist yesterday, dunno how he's doin yet.

Got tossed off the top of the R6 comin outta Higgens, poor bastard. He has worse luck than any other racer I reckon.

An extremelly talented rider, who has a LOT of bad luck. But he will be back no doubt, he is still very young

[GIXser]

no disrespect to Sam and i hope he heals fast, but what a crock of shit rule.... how the fuck can a crashed rider get points?!!!?

again Sam i hope ya heal fast, but i would have bitched about this regardless of person that crashed!!

[Drew]

It happens with regular frequency, and since I crash a lot...

Dont rock the fuggin boat!

[Burrt Badger]

It is the same rule as used in MotoGP, WSB, BSB, AMA, Australia etc. There is no other way of doing it that is fair in all situations, and believe me when I say, a number of people have tried to come up with a replacement.

[GIXser]

eeeermmmm... what about the obvious.. like...... restart and count the points fromt the race that finishes!!!

[Shaun]

eeeermmmm... what about the obvious.. like...... restart and count the points fromt the race that finishes!!!

eeermmmmm. what about the obvious? If a rider crashes and takes out an innocent party

this way all get points that they have worked for, and it is a fair way of doing it

I actually lost the NZ Superbike championships by 3.5 points, due to a rider being allowed to restart in the re start of a race, after his bike had broken down 2 laps before the RED flag was put out, NOW THAT WAS UN FAIR, and I had not noticed that the rider had been allocated points for his race, untill SUZUKI asked me where my lead had gone

My bad management.

[Sparky Bills]

I actually lost the NZ Superbike championships by 3.5 points, due to a rider being allowed to restart in the re start of a race, after his bike had broken down 2 laps before the RED flag was put out, NOW THAT WAS UN FAIR, and I had not noticed that the rider had been allocated points for his race, untill SUZUKI asked me where my lead had gone
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GEEZ! That sounds extremely unfair!
How did they get away with that? Doesnt fit into the restart rule at all.... or does it??

[Shaun]

GEEZ! That sounds extremely unfair!
How did they get away with that? Doesnt fit into the restart rule at all.... or does it??

My bad management, I did not check the points allocation after the race, I knew the rider was in the RE start race, but thought it was just for testing purposes, due to his machine failure!- Thought this was good of the club at ch ch to do this.

So I should have actually protested the results, and would have won the SB champs by 9 points, to go with the 600ss title and F2 Title I won that year

O well

[White trash]

It is the same rule as used in MotoGP, WSB, BSB, AMA, Australia etc. There is no other way of doing it that is fair in all situations, and believe me when I say, a number of people have tried to come up with a replacement.

Since when, have they ever alocated a 50/50 points split on a MotoGP restart? I have no problem with someone restarting a race, then getting points for the scond part. But I don't understand how you get a points split when a race is only 2 laps long. Theoretcially, if you're going to play those games the first two laps should only count for 20% of the points.

This isn't worrying me by the way, I'm just thinking that in the interests of fairnes this rule needs a little fine tuning.

[svr]

no disrespect to Sam and i hope he heals fast, but what a crock of shit rule.... how the fuck can a crashed rider get points?!!!?

Has happened a few times over the years.
There is a `no fault' implementation of the red flag rule for the reason that it gets messy assigning `fault' to a crash - say the rider is lapping a back-marker and gets taken out, or hits oil or whatever - its turns into an argument requiring witnesses, someone gets a lawyer etc.
20+ years ago you never saw red flags - bad luck for the crasher but avoided extra re-starts - the most dangerous part of the race. Nowadays there seems to be heaps of re-starts with resultant extra crashes.
Remember, if you're in front after 2/3 of the race and crash - stay down -you'll get the win. Hopefully its a win some, lose some deal.

[GIXser]

eeermmmmm. what about the obvious? If a rider crashes and takes out an innocent party

this way all get points that they have worked for, and it is a fair way of doing it

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if an inncocent party gets taken out thats just the way the cookie crumbles after all it is racing, we all crash, or get crashed into sooner or later i believe its part of racing, otherwise dont go racing!!
anyways like you say the rule has probably been discussed many times before and so it is...
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