Another reason Labour should be arseholed!

[Nasty]

Labour is great
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What you guys bitching about you voted for them!

Praise be what saviors - what utter crap ... in fact I DID NOT vote for them ... that they won shows that people forgot the lies from the previous election . .as a number of people will with the next one. Since they did not win by clear majority ... that says it all really ... did they really win or jsut take the win??

[Grub]

What you guys bitching about you voted for them!

Nope, nobody voted for them last election - ask around.

[vifferman]

Allegedly, health expenditure has gone up heaps under Labour, and most of it has gone on "infrastructure" - like more project (b)leaders, manglers, and the like, to the extent that there is reportedly 2.5 of these non-medical staff for every patient. That would be fine if (but not really) IF it made the whole healthcare thing work better. From my own personal experience, it doesn't.

My mother recently had a serious operation. After 3 days, she was sent home, supposedly to have a nurse calling on her every day. However, a weekend intervened, so the nurse didn't come after the first day or so, and instead my sisters phoned her with some 'obs'. Mum subsequently (within a day of being at home) had to go back to hospital, because they forgot to give her some medication.
Then again to A&E, because she developed a serious infection.
Then back again, because the antibiotics were too strong for an old lady, and she reacted badly to them and nearly carked it. Unfortunately, the 'bugs' seemed to thrive, so she was ambulance to A&E again, and stayed there for several days. Yes, in A&E, because they couldn't find a bed in the hospital.
On the weekend just gone, she finally got admitted to a medical ward. Where she got WORSE, because the hospital staff didn't know she'd recently had an operation (despite the fact she had bandages, a drain, that sort of thing). She's eaten basically nothing that's stayed down or in, for about 10 days, and has gone from being quite cheerful, comfortable and perky when I last saw her 10 days ago, to being depressed, weak, frail and looking 20 years older.
And all this is due to surgical and medical having different roles, and no co-ordination or communication between A&E, Surgical, Medical, Admissions, and District Health.

I don't get angry easily, but I'm really pissed off!
Yes, my mother had cancer, which was potentially life-threatening, but being fucked over by the 'health' system (sickness system would be more accurate) has been much more injurious to her health. WTF is happening to our "health dollars"?!?

[MSTRS:Me]

Governments are meant to serve the people, not control them, and if the population can't be bothered enforcing that point, then they deserve everything they get!

Excepting socialist govts...
9 years of pain, where is the gain? (I don't like chewing gum)

[Ocean1]

OK, you pussies realy got the balls to stand on yer own two feet?



http://www.libertarianz.org.nz/



Or not...

[Winston001]

So, Labour is a no no, National are a pack of scurrilous, lying, deceiving, misleading, money grabbers. NZ first and Winnie should be hung from the nearest yardarm as crooks, liars and perverted shitheads, Greens are just not in the world of reality and don't know how to push when they should, push.....King Jeffys party has gone to ground........who does that leave, come election time?
Seriously!

ACT

Association of Consumers and Taxpayers

Easy.

[Winston001]

"Asset forfeiture: reported back
The Law and Order Committee has reported back [PDF] on the Criminal Proceeds (Recovery) Bill. The bill would "reform" New Zealand's asset forfeiture law to a non-conviction-based regime, breaking down barriers between civil and criminal proceedings and allowing police to seize money, cars, homes and other valuables from people who have not been convicted of a crime (or worse, actually acquitted of one by a jury) under a "guilty until proven innocent" system with a lower burden of proof - Ahmed Zaoui standards of evidence. It's a bill every person who cares about justice and human rights should oppose.
Unfortunately, the MPs on the Law and Order Committee do not care about those things, and the bill has survived practically unchanged. There have been some minor tweaks to align it with the government's new organised crime agency (the forfeiture agency will be the police - though they won't get to keep the money, thank Cthulhu), and with current policy on Serious Fraud Office-style powers (powers to force suspects to incriminate themselves have been toned down and subjected to judicial oversight), but the rest of the bill is unchanged. The real issues around justice and human rights with this sort of system (summarised in my submission) have simply been ignored.
New Zealand will regret this. These powers are a recipe for injustice and police misconduct. They give the police real powers to punish on mere suspicion, and to victimise those who have the temerity to be acquitted of serious crime (something the police seem to regard as a mere technicality and a failure of the justice system rather than of themselves). Given that the police make mistakes (Arthur Allen Thomas, anyone?), innocent people will lose their homes, and possibly even their lives as a result of this bill. But politicians will get to posture about being "tough on crime", which is apparently all that matters."

I used to think it was just Helen gone power mad, but it seems to be something that is now affecting the whole rotten system.

Gotta give you a bling for this - well done. Its a serious issue and I'll need to read about it but well done for making a submission and raising it here. So much for the Rule of Law!

[Dargor]

Governments are meant to serve the people, not control them, and if the population can't be bothered enforcing that point, then they deserve everything they get!

Yea thats great for the population, but what about me. Why can they drag me down with them.


+1 libertarianz

[sinned]

Praise be what saviors - what utter crap ... in fact I DID NOT vote for them ... that they won shows that people forgot the lies from the previous election . .as a number of people will with the next one. Since they did not win by clear majority ... that says it all really ... did they really win or jsut take the win??

9 years + of immigration and emigration has helped to shift the voting balance with of course a few tasty tit bits to swing a vote here and there

OK, you pussies realy got the balls to stand on yer own two feet?

http://www.libertarianz.org.nz/

Or not...

You got to have balls for this stand

ACT

Association of Consumers and Taxpayers

Easy.

And this one.

Yea thats great for the population, but what about me. Why can they drag me down with them.
+1 libertarianz

If you let them they will drag you down - it is over to you.

Love or hate politicians, if you don't participate in a political organisation which has the principles you believe in or at least speak out and vote you deserve what you get.

[SPman]

. Since they did not win by clear majority ... that says it all really ... did they really win or jsut take the win??

So, after umpteen years of MMP, people still havent got a clue as to how their electoral system works! It's MMP, not first past the post. It's a more level playing field, so detested by National and the right, except when it suits them. They really won, unlike National, who "won in 1978 and 1981, with fewer people voting for them, than Labour!
MMP - which reflects the mood of the population rather more fairly than FPP.
ACT - yep, let Roger Douglas finish fucking the country over, which he didn't quite manage to achieve last time. Association of Concerned rich cocksuckers, who want to grab more for themselves!
Libertarianz - less government in our lives.....sounds good - pay bugger all tax, look after yourself - so, logically no money, no healthcare, no assistance when you need it, pay for your own schooling or no schools.......

It seems to me, that the natural term of a Government seems to be about 4-5 yrs. After that, they seem to completely stop listening to the public (if they ever did) and get a dose of "fuck you, we know whats best for you" arrogance, that needs periodic flushing down the toilet!

[Forest]

I support this change in the law.

Because I can see how it will be used against gangs, gang members, and other scumbags who can't demonstrate how they've acquired flash gear without working for it.

[Nasty]

So, after umpteen years of MMP, people still havent got a clue as to how their electoral system works! It's MMP, not first past the post. It's a more level playing field, so detested by National and the right, except when it suits them. They really won, unlike National, who "won in 1978 and 1981, with fewer people voting for them, than Labour!
MMP - which reflects the mood of the population rather more fairly than FPP.
ACT - yep, let Roger Douglas finish fucking the country over, which he didn't quite manage to achieve last time. Association of Concerned rich cocksuckers, who want to grab more for themselves!
Libertarianz - less government in our lives.....sounds good - pay bugger all tax, look after yourself - so, logically no money, no healthcare, no assistance when you need it, pay for your own schooling or no schools.......

It seems to me, that the natural term of a Government seems to be about 4-5 yrs. After that, they seem to completely stop listening to the public (if they ever did) and get a dose of "fuck you, we know whats best for you" arrogance, that needs periodic flushing down the toilet!

No we know how it works ... but ... I NEVER VOTED FOR THAT EITHER! Common rule - if you don't vote you can't complain .. I voted for other stuff ... so really I can COMPLAIN AS MUCH AS I FARKIN WANT!

Oh another broken promise .. after so 6 (I think) years review MMP .. still waiting ...

[Flatcap]

Buying back rail is a good move, I reckon, even if they did pay a bit too much for it. With fuel costs spiralling up up and away, a vital infrastructure like this should be in the peoples hands

Only poor people and the mentally impaired ride on trains

[enigma51]

Nope, nobody voted for them last election - ask around.

Thats what i cant understand everyone says they did not vote for them but yet they are in power sounds just like Zim.

[Swoop]

Buying back rail is a good move, I reckon, even if they did pay a bit too much for it. With fuel costs spiralling up up and away, a vital infrastructure like this should be in the peoples hands - and if anyone says "private industry does it better", just go and jump off a cliff, because private ownership, demonstrably, didn't do it better!

An organisation that had a reputation (under previous gubbinment control) of "If you want it crushed beyond recognition - send it by rail" isn't difficult to improve.
It appears that the Aussie owners of the train set did, in fact, improve
it since the price paid for the trainset, increased.
Unfortunately the Looney Labourite Sect has purchased something that needs a serious injection of cash. The taxpayers get to have their wallets/purses bled once again.
Presumably we will have to re-establish the "railways workshops" again, with all the normal inefficiencies?

Only poor people and the mentally impaired ride on trains

I think that there is a "trainspotter" in Wellytown's circular-wind-tunnel. At the very least, someone who had a toy trainset as a kid...