A question to IT KBers - what are prospects of finding an IT job in Auckland?

[jrandom]

I had speech problems as a kid, there are words this day i can not say. you have meet me you would have noticed i also talk fast, this is also due to my speech problems.

There's a big difference between diagnosable speech/reading disabilities and general illiteracy.



Also, I never implied that literacy or cognitive capacity is an infallible predictor of material success in life.

I just implied that a lack of literacy (not counting speech disabilities, etc) almost always implies a lack of cognitive capacity, which implies that the person is not well suited to computer programming as a profession.

I hate to be a PC party pooper, but it's true.

[enigma51]

I had speech problems as a kid, there are words this day i can not say. you have meet me you would have noticed i also talk fast, this is also due to my speech problems.

I can read words find, i just can't put them down correctly.

This does not stop me knowning 20+ programming languages fluently

My spelling has got better since i have been in a business environment, but still not great. Some very smart, rich men/woman can't read/write very well today some very smart people thru out history couldn't either.

The name Jon Britten comes to mind ...... according to JRandom statement he must be an idiot


I never could spell properly and putting words in the correct order ..... time waster for me cause no matter how times i look at a sentence it always look the same

So i tend to write like I speak (according to my wife) which is apparently wrong as well ...... go figure

[enigma51]

There's a big difference between diagnosable speech/reading disabilities and general illiteracy.



Also, I never implied that literacy or cognitive capacity is an infallible predictor of material success in life.

I just implied that a lack of literacy (not counting speech disabilities, etc) almost always implies a lack of cognitive capacity, which implies that the person is not well suited to computer programming as a profession.

I hate to be a PC party pooper, but it's true.

Mate your full of shit if you believe the crap you just spoke


I know some people are very well educated in the english language and they are still idiots!

[Cajun]

The name Jon Britten comes to mind ...... according to JRandom statement he must be an idiot


I never could spell properly and putting words in the correct order ..... time waster for me cause no matter how times i look at a sentence it always look the same

So i tend to write like I speak (according to my wife) which is apparently wrong as well ...... go figure

when i read books, i put extra words in them automatically so my head understands them better.

[enigma51]

So let me get this right

If you cant spell or have the ability to write what is considered proper english your either lazy or a idiot and should not work in IT

JRandom the reason why IT budget always get blown out is not because of people who cant spell or put sentences togethar.

[jrandom]

Mate your full of shit if you believe the crap you just spoke

I know some people are very well educated in the english language and they are still idiots!

Being able to write computer programs well is a particular skill, which there are particular indicators of the likelihood of. An affinity for those particular mental gymnastics has no general bearing on the rest of one's life.

Fact is, after just under a decade in the biz, I've never seen a good software engineer who wasn't also good at written communication with other people. The ones who had difficulty expressing themselves also appeared to have difficulty dealing with formal logic representing multiple layers of abstraction.

I'm not drawing any further conclusions from those observations, just reporting what I've seen.

[Fatjim]

So let me get this right

If you cant spell or have the ability to write what is considered proper english your either lazy or a idiot and should not work in IT

JRandom the reason why IT budget always get blown out is not because of people who cant spell or put sentences togethar.

"Never, in the field of human endeavour has so little been done, by so many, for so much, so poorly, as in IT."

[jrandom]

If you cant spell or have the ability to write what is considered proper english your either lazy or a idiot

Yup. Nail on head.

Unless you're still learning English, of course. Just apply the principle to whatever language you claim to speak fluently.

[enigma51]

Being able to write computer programs well is a particular skill, which there are particular indicators of the likelihood of. An affinity for those particular mental gymnastics has no general bearing on the rest of one's life.

Fact is, after just under a decade in the biz, I've never seen a good software engineer who wasn't also good at written communication with other people. The ones who had difficulty expressing themselves also appeared to have difficulty dealing with formal logic representing multiple layers of abstraction.

I'm not drawing any further conclusions from those observations, just reporting what I've seen.

Communicating with other people has no bearing on spelling. As long as i get what the person is trying to get accros I realy dont give a shit if he can or can not spell.

[enigma51]

"Never, in the field of human endeavour has so little been done, by so many, for so much, so poorly, as in IT."

Thats cause of arrogant people like JRandom who believe they are fucking special!

[jrandom]

Communicating with other people has no bearing on spelling. As long as i get what the person is trying to get accros I realy dont give a shit if he can or can not spell.

It's nothing personal. I don't like or dislike people based on how they spell.

I'm reporting on a correlation I've observed between quality of written communication and ability to write computer programs.

[enigma51]

It's nothing personal. I don't like or dislike people based on how they spell.

I'm reporting on a correlation I've observed between quality of written communication and ability to write computer programs.

and I have a serious issue with people like you in the IT industry.

Arrogant people who think they are Gods

[vifferman]

Ye gads, a pedantic paleontologist programmer is in our midst.

Nup. Used to be sort of a programmer, but haven't done any for at least 10 years. Paleontology? Hmmm... I do happen to have some geological education (6 years at a tertiary institution, or thereabouts).

Since when do you need to be able to spell to wright desent code

That's not what I said - I said, "it should be a prerequisite" to at least misspell consistently. Makes things tidier and all that.
Besides, you obviously ignored my disclaimer/signature. Everything I write is bollocks, usually impeccably spelled, except when I choose to mangle it.

i concur i am disylex, and a coder.

Yeah, but you're different, or summat.

I had speech problems as a kid, there are words this day i can not say. you have meet me you would have noticed i also talk fast, this is also due to my speech problems.

I thought it was hyperactivity, too much "V" or summat...

Some very smart, rich men/woman can't read/write very well today some very smart people thru out history couldn't either.

Fairy Nuff. I'll let you off this one time (in band camp).

There's code, and then there's code...

One of the above sorts of 'code' is the reason for budget blowouts, company failures and the general perception of computers as piles of unusable shite.

That was the generalisation I plucked out of the air, or my arse, or summat. Glad someone else thinks that - makes me look slightly less of a plonker for making such sweeping generalisations.

Literacy and general cognitive capacity are inextricably intertwined. National literacy rates are, in fact, generally used to estimate national average IQs.

Before you yell 'bullshit' at that again, go check out the data for yourself. Go find me one single psych study showing that literacy is not correlated with IQ.

Yeahorright.

[jrandom]

and I have a serious issue with people like you in the IT industry.

Arrogant people who think they are Gods

Geh.

If it offends you that I pointed out that all the people I've met in my life who can't spell have been fairly thick, and that thick people don't make good programmers, I'm not quite sure what I can do about that, because it's true.

[Cajun]

Yeah, but you're different, or summat.

always knew i was different

I thought it was hyperactivity, too much "V" or summat...

nah i don't drink v's very often now

Fairy Nuff. I'll let you off this one time (in band camp).

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