That's it. Not voting for Nat

[BIHB@0610]

Sure it is.

I like it when you agree with me.

Don't get any ideas, but I agree with you as well.

Oooh ..... a manly threesome!

That's kinda hot ......

[doc]

Really? You remember that (slightly) drunk one night stand you had last year...she had a kid from that root of yours and you still can't remember her name and never did get her phone number. Oh, and she moved so you don't know where she lives. Guess what, sunshine...you were a sperm donor for her lifestyle. (story made up, for purposes of arguing a point only)
Harsh? Yes, perhaps...but this sort of thing happens more often than you'd think. Along with the 1000's of fathers who would rather not be absent, but aren't wanted by the mother

Sorry don't understand whether you support or disagree with my comment. I can't support the idea that because of one night stands, absolves said stud from any responsibility of the outcome. He could be a multiple stud. Why should the taxpayer pickup the tab.

My stand on the whole idea its not her or him in this , it's the fact that the progeny is what DPB is about. Right or wrong.

[BIHB@0610]

the progeny is what DPB is about. Right or wrong.

Agree 1000% - which is why I support helping parents on the DPB to get a life, a passion, a vocation, to become contributing members of the community that has helped them through a tough time in their life. And why I support prompting and supporting those parents into either work or study - for a manageable portion of their time, while their children are at school. No-one suffers, everyone gains - especially the progeny, who acquire a work ethic and an expectation that everyone has and fulfils a vital role in society

[Patrick]

Without reading the whole thread, that is the reason why I am voting Nat.

Kids are at school, have been for a year. Time to get a job. Like most.

Now, if someone was to do away with the Invalids / Sickness Benefits entirely for the gangs and druggies out there....

[Max Preload]

Why the need to confiscate peoples time like that?

Emotive choice of word there. Allow me to use it too. Why should decent working folk have their money confiscated to pay for the often simply irresponsible choices made by others?

No, it wont. Because if we ever have children, we'll make damn sure we can afford them first.

You won't go far with THAT attitude here in Aotearoa!

I'm still not getting the study thing. Why would someone earning a small Government funded income be encouraged to take on a large debt?

How about self-improvement, life and employment prospects, self-respect & pride, pulling your own weight and contributing to society...

Simple you get preggy as a women dob the guy in dont shelter him. If you cant come up with a dad then no benefit.

Under current legislation some slapper they've never even rooted can name a man as the father and there ain't a god-damed thing that man can do about it. How fucked up is that? My point being, that's only going to encourage that behaviour if not accompanied by a law change giving accused fathers basic rights of appeal.

The 'income protection' side of ACC appears to be a bit less than perfect, but the cover for medical treatment for injuries is second to none in the world.

The income side is a joke - as a self-employed person I've had first hand experience of that. Initial emergency care, perhaps, but ongoing physical rehabilitation is also a bad joke.

Also, don't forget the "no blame" nature of the Act.
This saves us squillions on legal fees and insurance premiums...

No blame only in marketing. Every person's premium is apportioned to 'blame'. Higher premiums due to higher income, different vehicle license costs, multiple vehicles...

[Big Dave]

Oooh ..... a manly threesome!

That's kinda hot ......

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[ambler]

Emotive choice of word there. Allow me to use it too. Why should decent working folk have their money confiscated to pay for the often simply irresponsible choices made by others?

hm... the line you quote was taken quite out of context with both the post it was in, and my previous posts in the thread.
My main point was that simply dictating a time to spend working misses the point that the goal is productivity, not just filling time. I also think requiring a certain amount of productivity rather than a certain amount of time would cause less resentment towards the plan.

[McDuck]

I'm saving this one for Hitcher.....

Good thing this thread aint on spelling ay...

[MSTRS:Me]

Sorry don't understand whether you support or disagree with my comment. I can't support the idea that because of one night stands, absolves said stud from any responsibility of the outcome. He could be a multiple stud. Why should the taxpayer pickup the tab.

My stand on the whole idea its not her or him in this , it's the fact that the progeny is what DPB is about. Right or wrong.

I thought what I said was pretty clear...I take issue with your statement that the problem lies with the father(s). In some instances, you will be right. However, I was citing the situation where the father is innocent of any bad intent other than getting his end away and has/can have no idea of the outcome.
I agree with your idea that the progeny are what it is about. Which is precisely why the system is open to such abuse. I applaud National for at least proposing to try and put the brakes on. But it will not work in the case of 'professional' breeders. They will simply pace their production at 5 year intervals.

[R1madness]

This is a true story.

A good mate got a chick pregnant. Had been going out with her about a year. She already had 2 kids (to 2 different guys). He moved in with her and tried to make a go of it but after a year he found out she was rooting around so moved out. She got pregnant to another guy. Thats 4 kids to 4 different fathers. All paying 19% of their pre tax income directly to her. The guys are all professional people with good jobs and pay their $$$$ without fail.
She is a lazy slut that sits around waiting for the next victim while earning good money.

[Trudes]

Not to mention the cases of people that are still in a relationship but "have split up and live in different houses" and collect the DPB.

[Oscar]

No blame only in marketing. Every person's premium is apportioned to 'blame'. Higher premiums due to higher income, different vehicle license costs, multiple vehicles...

Would you prefer the US system?
The system may be flawed, but I have yet to see a better one.

[Big Dave]

Would you prefer the US system?
The system may be flawed, but I have yet to see a better one.

You do know the public health system here is so overloaded and underfunded that they have a triage system operating - if you are not in 'enough' pain you get pushed right off the elective list at Middlemore?

Life threatening or serious and it's first world indeed.
Not so and it's becoming a bit 3rd.

[Oscar]

You do know the public health system here is so overloaded and underfunded that they have a triage system operating - if you are not in 'enough' pain you get pushed right off the elective list at Middlemore?

Life threatening or serious and it's first world indeed.
Not so and it's becoming a bit 3rd.

I was referring to the ACC "no blame" system, and the fact that we don't spend as much time suing each other for personal injury as other Western Democracies.

The public health system is a disgrace.

Speaking of disgraces - Stretch on the cover?
The new format is good, though...

[Patrick]

Under current legislation some slapper they've never even rooted can name a man as the father and there ain't a god-damed thing that man can do about it. ...

Huh????? Deoxy (mumble, mumble, something a rather...) Nucleic Acid... DNA...

I thought what I said was pretty clear...I take issue with your statement that the problem lies with the father(s). In some instances, you will be right. However, I was citing the situation where the father is innocent of any bad intent other than getting his end away and has/can have no idea of the outcome.
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Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.... shite that is funny.......