Bike test online - my thoughts

[cowboyz]

On a twisty section of road you don't like to use the brakes at all.
its called riding smoothly. more fun riding at pace with rythum rather that point and squirt riding.

You don't like to brake deeper into corners.
Again. Its called riding smoothly not like a rossi wannabe
And you think the rear brake is redundant.
only because on the greater scheme of things - it is. I do drag the rear on occasion, specially if I am being lazy.

You are clearly having problems with slowing your bike in a controlled manner. The rear brake plays a large part in steadying your bike and how it is going to feel while going deeper into corners under brakes.

I have no issues with riding my bike in a controlled manner. As I said before. Riding smoothly at pace is much more entertaining than late braking and diving into corners.

[piston broke]

% of braking.b.s
it's all about feel,experiencead or not.
if you know your bike you know what is right

[dipshit]

I have no issues with riding my bike in a controlled manner. As I said before. Riding smoothly at pace is much more entertaining than late braking and diving into corners.

I ain't talking about late braking. On some sections of roads down here, (see attached pic of the road to Glenorchy from Queenstown).. you sometimes don't have a chance to be upright for your braking and you end up doing some of your braking while cranked over. There is nothing "scary" about it if done smoothly.

[Ixion]

so you promote braking mid corner? Is this good practice?

I frequently use the rear brake mid corner (and right through the corner). Sometimes the front brake. Sometimes even on gravel. It all depends.

There are no "right" answers to these matters. It all depends - on the experience of the rider, on the type of bike .

The answers expected are probably as good as any for learners. Which is after all the audience the questions are asked of.

[cowboyz]

no wonder you have the reputation of a muppet.

[cowboyz]

I frequently use the rear brake mid corner (and right through the corner). Sometimes the front brake. Sometimes even on gravel. It all depends.

There are no "right" answers to these matters. It all depends - on the experience of the rider, on the type of bike .

The answers expected are probably as good as any for learners. Which is after all the audience the questions are asked of.

which is exactly my point. I would think it more prudent to discourage corner braking rather than arguing how much is too much.

[Ixion]

Perhaps so, but that muppetry has kept me upright and undamaged for nearly half a century. Ride back in forty years time and we'll discuss it.

[cowboyz]

Perhaps so, but that muppetry has kept me upright and undamaged for nearly half a century. Ride back in forty years time and we'll discuss it.

that comment was directed at dipshit. You replied while I was typing so posts got mixed up.

[Sanx]

On a twisty section of road you don't like to use the brakes at all.

You don't like to brake deeper into corners.

And you think the rear brake is redundant.

You are clearly having problems with slowing your bike in a controlled manner. The rear brake plays a large part in steadying your bike and how it is going to feel while going deeper into corners under brakes.

Then how come plenty of decent racers hardly touch their rear brake at all? I don't claim to be a decent track rider, but I know a couple of people who are very competent and they don't use their rear brake at all. Are you saying they're uncontrolled? That they don't brake deep into corners?

[Horse]

And that crap question about `crowned right hand bends' is a bit bogus - either the road designer or construction contractor need shooting as all rural corners should have superelevation (positive camber) and not a crown through the corner.

You're right of course, all rural corners should have superelevation. The question is, do they?

That was rhetorical, because as we all know the answer is "hell no".

[2wheeldrifter]

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Question 50:
If another driver follows too closely, what should you do?
Speed up to get away
Slow down and increase the distance between you and the vehicle ahead
Flash the brake light on your motorcycle

The correct answer is Slow down and increase the distance between you and the vehicle ahead

I.

How do you increase the distance between you and the other vehicle when he's up YOUR butt by slowing down, does this how work?

I am havin a dig at the answer....not you cowboyz


On braking thru corners, it's called "Trail barking" and wouldn't be for a beginner.

[Motu]

so you promote braking mid corner? Is this good practice?

One of my bikes is a 2 stroke,braking mid corner is no problem at all.

There is an article Kieth Code has written in a magazine recently that is causing some comment.No,I haven't read what he wrote,but get the gist of it.He takes a bike though a corner maintaining 1G.....dry,wet and sandy.There is a lot of disbelief from riders,and I suspect cowboyz might be in that camp too.Maintaining control of a motorcycle in difficult situations is a skill that needs to be learned.

[cowboyz]

the whole essence is who the advice is directed at.

Being as it is part of the learners test it is directed at learners.

I am not saying it is impossible to brake mid corner. I have said several times that I drag the brake corners on occasion. I get the idea about it. I get that some think it is a perfectly acceptable way of riding. I also get how quickly the idea of "gently" applying brakes mid corner can be misconstrude by a learner rider.

If you must learn how to brake mid-corner. I skill that can be put far on the back burner if one has learnt how to do more important things correctly (like setting up for a corner, setting speeds for corner, planning lines, hitting apexs, having a backup plan etc) then it can be taught latter on in ones riding career.

[Squiggles]

the whole essence is who the advice is directed at.

Being as it is part of the learners test it is directed at learners.

If you must learn how to brake mid-corner. I skill that can be put far on the back burner if one has learnt how to do more important things correctly (like setting up for a corner, setting speeds for corner, planning lines, hitting apexs, having a backup plan etc) then it can be taught latter on in ones riding career.

I, like you, believe its better to teach not to brake, and have them learn that they can, but there are limits... far too many put on the brakes and the bike starts to stand upright, they panic and its all over. Having some faith in the bike/tires is a far better idea, i've seen it many times, mid corner it tightens, learners start to upright as they brake... thankfully they usually click at what has been said to them, let off the brakes, and simply put that little bit more force behind the bars.

[2wheeldrifter]

Throttle control is the best control.... more throttle the bike stands up, less throttle the bike drops more into the corner, this is with rpm's on your side and you dont coast round a corner!! reason- you have engine braking to drop the bike and power there to stand the the bike upright. Be nice to have all your braking done before the corner as go into the corner with unloaded suspension from braking, the bike is settled at this state, this is when trail braking comes into play with a gentle touch. Suspension has the ability to absorb the forces of cornering and alittle brake without unsetteling the bike.

Just another view....