So who's the terrorist again?

[Gentleman]

Nice one.

Of course nobody - including Russia really made a fuss when Iraq was invaded.

I'm sorry, what did you say?

1 million peoiple demonstrated in Rome, millions more all over the world saw through the Busg bullshit and protested. Other governments condemned the illegal invasion in their own way and even the head of the UN declared the war illegal.

Nobody made a fuss????

you must have slept through the last 5 years

[svr]

I'm sorry, what did you say?

1 million peoiple demonstrated in Rome, millions more all over the world saw through the Busg bullshit and protested. Other governments condemned the illegal invasion in their own way and even the head of the UN declared the war illegal.

Nobody made a fuss????

you must have slept through the last 5 years

No - like US citizens he was watching CNN

[alanzs]

No - like US citizens he was watching CNN

Not all US citizens were watching CNN. Many were completely outraged that he was waging a war of aggression against Iraq. Many still regard him as a war criminal.

~43% of the eligible population that could vote in the election in 2000 voted, of that amount ~49.8 % voted for Bush. Therefore, about 1/4 of the people wanted him in office. There was no huge public cry for Bush to get in office. He effectively lost the first election, as more than 50% of the votes were cast for Gore. The Supreme Court instated him. Many of the Supreme Court justices were put their by Bush's Father. The state in which the election was decided was in Florida. The Governor of Florida was Bush's brother. It sounds pretty corrupt and did to most Americans. For something this outrageous to happen in the US was unthinkable. Maybe for some small banana republic run by some tin horn dictator, but not in the US. How wrong we were...

The second time around was one of the biggest political coups in the history of the US. The nation was constantly bombarded with messages of fear leading up to the election. The security codes were lifted, the public was told that attack by terrorists were imminent. The de-facto republican propaganda outlet in the US media, Fox network, was saying this repeatedly throughout the weeks leading up to the election. The republicans have so successfully made it that any form of dissent is seen as being anti-patriotic or treasonous. People still live in a state of fear that is hard for most NZ'ers to realize, understand or believe.

The spin doctors that Bush employed to win his elections, have been hired by McCain. Watch out, things will get very dirty, very soon.

Carry on...

[SPman]

According to Fox, CNN and other US news agencies, big bad Russia just marched straight into poor widdle Georgia, without warning! The US government is bad, but it is helped in no small measure, by the conniving, grotesque assistance of virtually all the major US media services!
The old communist expression "running lapdogs", seems somehow rather apt!

The spin doctors that Bush employed to win his elections, have been hired by McCain. Watch out, things will get very dirty, very soon.

They already are.
Bush lost the 2004 election as well, if you count all the votes, that "vanished" and, as in the '00 elections, the voters disenfranchised...
So they'll probably try the same tactics, yet again, as well.

[Winston001]

I'm sorry, what did you say?

1 million peoiple demonstrated in Rome, millions more all over the world saw through the Busg bullshit and protested. Other governments condemned the illegal invasion in their own way and even the head of the UN declared the war illegal.

Nobody made a fuss????

you must have slept through the last 5 years

Fair enough. What I meant was that diplomatically and politically, nations did not make a fuss. Oh, there was the normal posturing in the UN but ultimately there has been no international economic boycott or blockade of the USA. Indeed various nations joined in the war.

But certainly plenty of people - including Americans - protested against the war.

What I wonder is where are those million Italians now? Don't Georgians matter? Indeed, where were they when China invaded Tibet? Where were the hundreds of thousands of protesters in NZ when the government of Fiji was removed by the military? Where were they in their millions around the world when the government of Thailand was changed in 2006 by military coup?

It seems that the USA, the major supporter of the Peace Corps and the UN, is the only demon in the world.

[speedpro]

It seems that the USA, the major supporter of the Peace Corps and the UN, is the only demon in the world.

He's on to it.

If one of the Arab states had instigated sorting out Saddam and offering a little peace to the Iraqi there would have been a big round of applause. Instead . . .

[alanzs]

He's on to it.

If one of the Arab states had instigated sorting out Saddam and offering a little peace to the Iraqi there would have been a big round of applause. Instead . . .

They all watched and allowed the invasion to happen, if they didn't overtly cooperate with the US. Let's not forget, US military bases are in Saudi Arabia.
If they really wanted to stop it, they could just stop selling oil. Then, the world economies would grind to a halt, which, bottom line isn't good for business.

They wanted Saddam out just as much if not more than the US. He had already attacked and occupied Kuwait. He was a loose cannon in the area. Did Iran make a big fuss? Hell no, they applauded the US for killing Saddam, a tyrant who killed millions of Iranians in their war with him. The instability which has resulted from the failed US war in the area has fed into the Iranians hands in a way they could only have dreamt of.
The US fucked up big time and the US people, for the most part, are totally aware of it.

[jonbuoy]

The biggest mistake of all this was not doing the job properly in GW1, Stormin Normin could/would have finished the job with fewer casualties to both sides if the powers that be would have let him. And the allies still would have technically held the high moral ground.

[svr]

The biggest mistake of all this was not doing the job properly in GW1, Stormin Normin could/would have finished the job with fewer casualties to both sides if the powers that be would have let him. And the allies still would have technically held the high moral ground.

The truth is being forgotten here: The US have invaded Iraq; are occupying Iraq; and will install a `democratic leader' of their choice in Iraq for strategic and economic reasons only.
There is no moral crusade here, just a facade of lies.

[svr]

~43% of the eligible population that could vote in the election in 2000 voted, of that amount ~49.8 % voted for Bush.

Interesting that in the worlds greatest democracy the majority are so disaffected by the democratic process that they don't even vote.

Not US bashing, just an observation ...

[SPman]

The biggest mistake of all this was not doing the job properly in GW1, Stormin Normin could/would have finished the job with fewer casualties to both sides if the powers that be would have let him. And the allies still would have technically held the high moral ground.

Instead of inciting the Iraqui resistance to rise up, then leave them hanging, so Saddam and his guard could round them up and wipe them out!
A bit like the Russians and Warsaw!

[idleidolidyll]

left liberals; real ones, have always known that bush is a war criminal.

the plus is that war crimes like his have no expiry date

i'd be happy to make a citizens arrest.

the problem of course is the media. the fact is that the greatest part of the media is owned and edited by those who benefit from bush's war crimes.

i feel sorry for the suckers who swallow yank propaganda without question.

the difference between Yank reporting on Georgia and the Pommes reporting on Georgia sums it up completely.

The Yanks were all spin and ignorance while the Pomes observed that the Yank educated 'president' of Georgia started the fight and Russia ended it.

The hypocrisy of course, was that everything bush attacked the ruskies over was nothing compared to his invasion of Iraq.

what a tosser!

[Flatcap]

Is the current Russian government left wing or right wing?

[idleidolidyll]

They all watched and allowed the invasion to happen, if they didn't overtly cooperate with the US.

that's not quite true.

the media just minimalised what protest there was.

helen clark walked a line saying it was wrong and we wouldn't support it while still having to speak softly to reduce economic pressure similar to that we endured after david lange told amerika to fuck off; that was the only real reason the outcry from governments was less than it should have been...............economic fascism

[Flatcap]

that's not quite true.

the media just minimalised what protest there was.

helen clark walked a line saying it was wrong and we wouldn't support it while still having to speak softly to reduce economic pressure similar to that we endured after david lange told amerika to fuck off; that was the only real reason the outcry from governments was less than it should have been...............economic fascism

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