NZ employers...

[judecatmad]

I suspect that anyone in their right mind knows that a mother with a baby 'working from home' will be about the least productive individual imaginable. No wonder they don't want to pay for it.

Not meaning to give you a hard time, judecatmad, just saying it like it is. Perhaps you could look into negotiating subsidised childcare funding as a part of your remuneration package?

A bit of time around adults with a professional looking after bubs should do wonders for your headspace, too. Humans just aren't made, physically or mentally, to look after babies on their own, and Western society with its acceptance and prevalence of single-mother situations completely fails to recognise that fact.

I'm not going to give you too much of my time, having read the rest of your posts. You're not worth the bite.

But where in my rant did I ever say that I'd be intending to work at home with bubs at home too? He'd be going into daycare after his class and the time I'd save in commuting that day would mean that my employer would get a whole lot more out of me than if I had to traipse into the office. Of course, he can always stop his music class and miss out altogether. What I'm trying to do is keep him happy whilst at the same time offering the best value to my employer on that day, if they'll allow flexibility.

And as for me expecting my employer to give me special treatment because I've thought fit to breed - I'm not asking for anything that hasn't been given to several of my colleagues. I'm also not asking to work for less hours than I'm contracted - just asking for a bit of creative thinking around my start and finish times - but then you probably got on your high horse way before you got to that bit so you're forgiven for your little tangent.

And my working from home productivity has been more than proven in the last few months when I've been working part-time from home, even WITH baby around.

And as for the person who has said my employer can't offer reduced breaks - I'm not asking for reduced breaks, just a bit of creative reorganisation (and this rearrangement of the day is possible as it's been done for someone I know at another company)

[jrandom]

I'm not going to give you too much of my time, having read the rest of your posts. You're not worth the bite.

Why, folks, do they always feel the need to point out that they're not biting?

Why not just... not bite?



Anyhoo.

I'm not asking for anything that hasn't been given to several of my colleagues. I'm also not asking to work for less hours than I'm contracted - just asking for a bit of creative thinking around my start and finish times...

Good shit, and good luck with that.

... my working from home productivity has been more than proven in the last few months when I've been working part-time from home, even WITH baby around.

Well, if your profession is in as much demand as you state, I'm sure another employer will be along shortly to make you a better offer.

[imdying]

Perhaps you could look into negotiating subsidised childcare funding as a part of your remuneration package?

That could be a cunning plan?

[alanzs]

I want the world to revolve around me as well.

[Number One]

All hiring and firing decisions must naturally be made keeping such things in mind. But it doesn't sound to me like any realistic commercial evaluation's been going on here...

Well if the mighty jrandom thinks that then it must be true!

Ahhhh, you're an HR Lady. That explains a lot.

You are in IT aren't you...THAT explains a lot too
FTR I'm not defensive towards you I just can't stand your self righteous know-it-all attitude which gets directed at just about EVERYTHING that comes up on KB...do you get tired being an authority on all subjects btw?

I'm not going to give you too much of my time, having read the rest of your posts. You're not worth the bite.

Not surprisingly it's all those of the non child bearing sex who have the biggest problem with this whole notion ...when the time comes that the boys can grow and carry the babies (wouldn't that be effing fantastic) then we should be sure to ensure that all the same logic and rules apply that they are suggesting...wonder if the tune would change then?

[jrandom]

do you get tired being an authority on all subjects btw?

Not really. I find it works well for me. And do bear in mind that I'm always ready to be proved wrong - sometimes someone with a bit of mental fortitude comes along with a better idea, and I learn from them.

Of course, you also get hysterical women who can't handle the jandal after making ill-considered remarks and getting slapped down, but that's OK too. Girls will always be girls.

I understand that my approach in this thread has annoyed you, but that doesn't change the fact that my points were valid, does it?

Top tip: If you want to publicly disagree with me and get some traction, you need to explain why my points aren't valid, rather than indulging in paragraph after paragraph of (kinda cute) ranting about how my arrogance irritates you...

when the time comes that the boys can grow and carry the babies (wouldn't that be effing fantastic) then we should be sure to ensure that all the same logic and rules apply...

The same logic and rules have always applied in these situations. And I have the utmost sympathy for any mother out there without a man to look after her.

Any society that tacitly encourages the idea of women bearing, raising and supporting children on their own is far from ideal, and expecting private corporations to bend over backwards to accommodate the drawbacks of that situation is a cock-eyed band-aid approach to the problem.

[Ocean1]

The same logic and rules have always applied in these situations.

Quite a while certainly.

But there was a time when ladies behaved differently.

As did gentlemen.

[Her_C4]

Quite a while certainly.

But there was a time when ladies behaved differently.

As did gentlemen.

That is because there WAS a time when there were real ladies

and gentlemen.

[Ocean1]

That is because there WAS a time.

Hush child, they'll be asking about the pixies next.

[Ixion]

You are in IT aren't you...THAT explains a lot too
FTR I'm not defensive towards you I just can't stand your self righteous know-it-all attitude which gets directed at just about EVERYTHING that comes up on KB...do you get tired being an authority on all subjects btw?

Mr Random does not know it all, nor is he an authority on all subjects. There would not be room on KB for two of us.

As regards the OP, my experience (which is quite wide) is that few NZ employers would be *too* difficult about a half hour flex on starting and finishing hours (unless the role is one that other people are dependant on - eg the dude that unlocks the doors in the morning).

The day off to work at home is probably the sticking point. "Work from home" has not been a great success outside the woofly lah-ti-dah 'nobody ever really knows if they do anything anyway' areas such as marketing and HR. . "work from home" when a baby is involved , IME, is a total washout. It's not so much the quantity or quality of work (objectively, that is fairly easy to amange), it's the effcet on other staff who, fairly or unfairly, perceive a collegue being given preferential treatment (For that matter, I wouldn't mind working from home one day a week myself).

Surely the infant does not spend a whole day being musiced ? Is the whole company 9 to 5 ? Could make-up time on the weekend be a possibility?

It must also be said that in such matters NZ employers are actually pretty good. Certainly by comparison with the rest of the world (and that comes from a union man). In fact the ones LEAST willing to try to accomodate such requests are almost always the local subsidairies of multi-nationals.





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[jrandom]

... there was a time when ladies behaved differently.

As did gentlemen.

Most gentlemen, in time, learn to distinguish between ladies and, well... another sort of woman.

(Which other sort has its uses, to be sure, to be sure.)

[Ocean1]

Most gentlemen, in time, learn to distinguish between ladies and, well... another sort of woman.

(Which other sort has its uses, to be sure, to be sure.)

Yes. Most spend their life assessing exactly that difference, true.

A true gentleman, however, makes no such public distinction.

[jrandom]

A true gentleman, however, makes no such public distinction.

Which point is probably a red herring; more useful perhaps to ponder whether a female who would claim equality and speak against men in public should expect a softer rebuttal than a man would receive for the same words.

The weaker sex cannot expect both a right to irrational presumptuousness and a right to special consideration. The abandonment of one is what earns the other.

[awayatc]

Eventhough this distinction between prepay and contract is substantial .....

mates rates vs free minutes for example....

[awayatc]

My father used to tell me .....


"Son"......."Watch out what you teach your wife ........."

"later on It wil be much harder to teach em how to shut up".....