MNZ announces Motards back in F3!

[Robert Taylor]

Yep, theoretically and practically a motards suspension is always going to be compromised compared to a dedicated tarmac race bike.....BUT in reality a motard weighs significantly less than the established F3 bikes.

An Aprilia SXV 5.5 weighs about 120kg's, a Husaberg FS650 weighs just 112kg's. An SV650 in race trim is going to be at least 150kg's, probably more? That's a significant weight difference, hence I reckon a motard corners at least as well as the the average F3 bike despite the compromises.

As an AVERAGE F3. Think how much better again a motard would corner with some seriouis no-compromise work.

[roadracingoldfart]

Atthis months VMCC, I dont plan on entering the F3 as I would rather race my own kind, balding fat and slow

Ohhhhh.....
I have never seen such a great quote to answer than this one

Thats not something i knew about motard riders, thank god for full face helmets is all i can think of at short notice.

[roadracingoldfart]

[QUOTE=slowpoke;1720212].....BUT in reality a motard weighs significantly less than the established F3 bikes.

An Aprilia SXV 5.5 weighs about 120kg's, a Husaberg FS650 weighs just 112kg's. An SV650 in race trim is going to be at least 150kg's, probably more? QUOTE]


I know my CBR 400 RR is heavy at 165 kgs.
Thats why i got Nicksta to ride it to gain a bit of power to weight ratio.

now stop calling my bike fat , its just not nice
next you will say my bike is too short compared to a motard

[slowpoke]

As an AVERAGE F3. Think how much better again a motard would corner with some seriouis no-compromise work.

Yup, it would be fantastic, I'm suprised no one's done it. You could go the whole hog and create a much cheaper version of Jason Easton's(sp) lovely Tigcraft F3 bike with a motard as the base. Lower/sort the suspension, clip on's, replacement bodywork and you'd have an awesome F3 weapon and it wouldn't cost moonbeams either.

[slowpoke]

[QUOTE=roadracingoldfart;1720565]

.....BUT in reality a motard weighs significantly less than the established F3 bikes.

An Aprilia SXV 5.5 weighs about 120kg's, a Husaberg FS650 weighs just 112kg's. An SV650 in race trim is going to be at least 150kg's, probably more? QUOTE]


I know my CBR 400 RR is heavy at 165 kgs.
Thats why i got Nicksta to ride it to gain a bit of power to weight ratio.

now stop calling my bike fat , its just not nice
next you will say my bike is too short compared to a motard

We could always call it "dense"? Er, maybe not......

[vtec]

I've crashed my CBR600 because of motards doing their super late braking and parking mid corner on the Taupo club circuit. bike slid all the way to the tyre wall and I crashed into the bike. I reckon I'd kick arse on a motard, cause I spent ages on a farmbike couriering, and I could corner that thing like mad. But I KNOW they are dangerous when mixed with road race bikes.

Also, a slower lapping motard can beat a faster lapping road bike because of their corner disruption styles.

If you're wondering how a motard could disrupt a 600, well it was on a really little tight circuit which really suits motards. And I've beaten Glen Williams (him on SV650 me on CBR600RR) on the A1 circuit, so I don't fuck around. Which also means these particular motards could mess with him on that circuit. They may have been quite large capacity motards, I'm not sure what they were but they were smoking it up out of the corners. There were 2 messing my lines up, extremely frustrating, and created a lot of fear when tipping in for corners cause you never knew when you were going to find yourself leaning on some chicken chaser who's gone in too hot.

P.S. I'd love to ride motard though.

[Robert Taylor]

Yup, it would be fantastic, I'm suprised no one's done it. You could go the whole hog and create a much cheaper version of Jason Easton's(sp) lovely Tigcraft F3 bike with a motard as the base. Lower/sort the suspension, clip on's, replacement bodywork and you'd have an awesome F3 weapon and it wouldn't cost moonbeams either.

I.E. F450. Makes a lot of sense, especially given that we usually dont race as per the accepted Motard track formula.

[Quasievil]

we usually dont race as per the accepted Motard track formula.

Thank fuck or I would be screwed lol

[TonyB]

As always I'm kinda on the fence with the Motard thing. They were excluded from BEARS classes this year, and the racing suffered for it. As I have said elsewhere MOST Motard riders down here have adopted a traditional road riding syle. However lets face it- we're racing. If your bike allows you to outbrake a road bike, park in front of it, then squirt away again...your gonna do it, aren't you.

Motard riders talk about F3 riders whinging because they get beaten by Motards. Its probably a fair call. But look at it from the F3 riders point of view. Its meant to be a low budget starter class- yeah the front runners are spending a fair bit, but then they're not having issues with Motards. The majority of the feild have spent less than $5k on their modified BUDGET road bikes, and that is all they can afford. F3 is the only class they get to race in, so they want to enjoy their racing.

Mr Motard racer (now) already has their own class, their bike is a purpose built race bike, its massively lighter, pretty well suited to our tight NZ tracks and he's probably spent as much on his Motard conversion kit as the F3 guys he's racing with have spent on their entire bike. This doesn't include the purchase price of the bike itself.... He can outbrake an F3 bike, block their line in the corner, and then accelerate out better due to the bikes good torque and light weight. Because all the other Motards are based on the same class structure, you end up with groups of them flying in formation. The F3 bike stuck behind may well be capable of better lap times, but the traffic jam in front makes passing....interesting.

This is what happened to me at my last race. About 6 to 8 Motards in front of me. They took most of the race to pass a guy I normally deal to fairly easily. So why didn't I pass? Well 3 of them fell off in 6 laps of 1 minute....bikes three or four wide everywhere while they tried to pass the guy I metioned. It was a frustrating race. Next time I'll get to the dummy grid quicker

[scracha]

The majority of the feild have spent less than $5k on their modified BUDGET road bikes, and that is all they can afford. F3 is the only class they get to race in, so they want to enjoy their racing.

Spot on Tony. The yuppies on Motards should just fuck off into their own class. End of. MNZ bunch of arse.

[Robert Taylor]

Spot on Tony. The yuppies on Motards should just fuck off into their own class. End of. MNZ bunch of arse.

Hey lets be fair and reasonable! I dont agree with intermixing motards but they have a place if there are the numbers and people want to ride them. And if people have the means to spec them up ( and have worked hard for those means ) why knock them for it?
And, there are overall some very good people in MNZ doing a thankless job, sure they dont always get it right.

[Quasievil]

Spot on Tony. The yuppies on Motards should just fuck off into their own class. End of. MNZ bunch of arse.

Bring it ya scottish git, you me and the track

BWAAAAHHH

[slowpoke]

I've crashed my CBR600 because of motards doing their super late braking and parking mid corner on the Taupo club circuit..

Read, the new guidelines if this happens excessively they are GONE

However lets face it- we're racing. If your bike allows you to outbrake a road bike, park in front of it, then squirt away again...your gonna do it, aren't you.

As above

The yuppies on Motards should just fuck off into their own class.

Yuppies? From the bloke with a Ducati..... (sorry mate couldn't resist, I'll buy you a latte to make up for it)

[svr]

I.E. F450. Makes a lot of sense, especially given that we usually dont race as per the accepted Motard track formula.

Is it a major job shortening the travel and lowering motard suspension? The US riders replace the front-ends and buy new shocks, which seems fairly expensive.

[Shaun]

Hey SVR

Where the hell do you get your prices from that you are suggesting it costs to build a competitive tricked out SV mate?

The numbers you are talking a very very very silly