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    Funny thing is she is not Paul Holmes' daughter,just stolen his name cause mumsie married him.

    For those who saw the episode on 20/20 or Sunday a few months ago on Leanne Isherwood,she was a jockey who amassed a few $,she won a few of NZ big races during her time in the saddle.She tried P was hooked,made a few "friends" who used her for the money she had to get their high.Pretty hard to be a jockey if ya can't enter a racecourse.She was/is trying to cure herself and get her life back.Her estimate is it cost her in excess of $100,000,she would not be your steriotype person either,white mid 30's,successful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidMark View Post
    It is everything to do with it, white people are the majority in this country over polynesians and maoris. probably about 50% are white and 20% or less or maori or polynesian ethnicity? (just guessing)

    Yet its about 80% of inmates are maori or polynesian (once again guessing on percentage, i cant give anything precise)

    so yes, the pretty little white rich girl doesnt exactly fit your typical drug seller/ crim.
    Depends on where you live. In 2006, the population of Auckland was

    56.5% European
    18.9% Asian
    14.4% Pacific Islanders
    11.1% Maori

    Note: You can nominate membership of more than one ethnic group in the census. So the numbers don't add up to 100%.

    Statistics NZ document is attached in case you want to do more reading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marioc View Post
    fucking typical drug experts everywhere that have never tried the stuff
    Fair enough, you are entitled to have and to express your opinion.

    but

    I have been quoting "human behaviour" and I feel well enough versed and experienced in that field to comment. (68 years, getting things right or wrong)

    and

    I do not have to try drugs, touch electricity, drink petrol, walk in front of buses etc to know that they may be very bad for my health.

    What "you" do is OK with me, as long as you don't "fuck anyone else about" by doing it! John.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidMark View Post
    It is everything to do with it, white people are the majority in this country over polynesians and maoris. probably about 50% are white and 20% or less or maori or polynesian ethnicity?

    so yes, the pretty little white rich girl doesnt exactly fit your typical drug seller/ crim.
    Fuck that's a spelling mistake.... the pretty little "WHITE" girl is The TYPICAL Drug Seller..... NowDays...cause the little brown girls are always getting seached..so its easy for the Pretty little white girls to sell.. unnoticed...
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    Anyone have any comments on this article? The logic is undeniable. ANYONE? Remember alcohol prohibition, it didn't work. Why would we think the prohibition of other DRUGS will? It doesn't work. PLEASE, READ THE ARTICLE...

    Here is an article from the Los Angeles Times. It has a very good argument for why drug prohibition doesn't work. PLEASE, before you respond, read the article.

    This is the U.S. on drugs
    Only cops and crooks have benefited from $2.5 trillion spent fighting trafficking.
    By David W. Fleming and James P. Gray
    July 5, 2008

    The United States' so-called war on drugs brings to mind the old saying that if you find yourself trapped in a deep hole, stop digging. Yet, last week, the Senate approved an aid package to combat drug trafficking in Mexico and Central America, with a record $400 million going to Mexico and $65 million to Central America.

    The United States has been spending $69 billion a year worldwide for the last 40 years, for a total of $2.5 trillion, on drug prohibition -- with little to show for it. Is anyone actually benefiting from this war? Six groups come to mind.

    The first group are the drug lords in nations such as Colombia, Afghanistan and Mexico, as well as those in the United States. They are making billions of dollars every year -- tax free.

    The second group are the street gangs that infest many of our cities and neighborhoods, whose main source of income is the sale of illegal drugs.


    Third are those people in government who are paid well to fight the first two groups. Their powers and bureaucratic fiefdoms grow larger with each tax dollar spent to fund this massive program that has been proved not to work.

    Fourth are the politicians who get elected and reelected by talking tough -- not smart, just tough -- about drugs and crime. But the tougher we get in prosecuting nonviolent drug crimes, the softer we get in the prosecution of everything else because of the limited resources to fund the criminal justice system.

    The fifth group are people who make money from increased crime. They include those who build prisons and those who staff them. The prison guards union is one of the strongest lobbying groups in California today, and its ranks continue to grow.

    And last are the terrorist groups worldwide that are principally financed by the sale of illegal drugs.

    Who are the losers in this war? Literally everyone else, especially our children.

    Today, there are more drugs on our streets at cheaper prices than ever before. There are more than 1.2 million people behind bars in the U.S., and a large percentage of them for nonviolent drug usage. Under our failed drug policy, it is easier for young people to obtain illegal drugs than a six-pack of beer. Why? Because the sellers of illegal drugs don't ask kids for IDs. As soon as we outlaw a substance, we abandon our ability to regulate and control the marketing of that substance.

    After we came to our senses and repealed alcohol prohibition, homicides dropped by 60% and continued to decline until World War II. Today's murder rates would likely again plummet if we ended drug prohibition.

    So what is the answer? Start by removing criminal penalties for marijuana, just as we did for alcohol. If we were to do this, according to state budget figures, California alone would save more than $1 billion annually, which we now spend in a futile effort to eradicate marijuana use and to jail nonviolent users. Is it any wonder that marijuana has become the largest cash crop in California?

    We could generate billions of dollars by taxing the stuff, just as we do with tobacco and alcohol.

    We should also reclassify most Schedule I drugs (drugs that the federal government alleges have no medicinal value, including marijuana and heroin) as Schedule II drugs (which require a prescription), with the government regulating their production, overseeing their potency, controlling their distribution and allowing licensed professionals (physicians, psychiatrists, psychologists, etc.) to prescribe them. This course of action would acknowledge that medical issues, such as drug addiction, are best left under the supervision of medical doctors instead of police officers.

    The mission of the criminal justice system should always be to protect us from one another and not from ourselves. That means that drug users who drive a motor vehicle or commit other crimes while under the influence of these drugs would continue to be held criminally responsible for their actions, with strict penalties. But that said, the system should not be used to protect us from ourselves.

    Ending drug prohibition, taxing and regulating drugs and spending tax dollars to treat addiction and dependency are the approaches that many of the world's industrialized countries are taking. Those approaches are ones that work.

    David W. Fleming, a lawyer, is the chairman of the Los Angeles County Business Federation and immediate past chairman of the Los Angeles Area Chamber of Commerce. James P. Gray is a judge of the Orange County Superior Court.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alanzs View Post

    Ending drug prohibition, taxing and regulating drugs and spending tax dollars to treat addiction and dependency are the approaches that many of the world's industrialized countries are taking. Those approaches are ones that work.

    .

    where?, when?, how? who?

    What about tobacco?, the reason its been so popular is due to it being readily available, addictive, and a means of profit, for the government and the industry. And you want to unleash P on the people?

    Piss off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marioc View Post
    fucking typical drug experts everywhere that have never tried the stuff
    See, thing is, I'm very well aware that if I tried methamphetamine, it'd feel fucking awesome and I'd love every minute of it. And I suspect that I'd end up rationalising another point, and then another one, and then I'd invest in a couple of grams, and then two years later my life would have fallen apart.

    I'm no moralising prohibitionist (see my signature, fer chrissake!) but when it comes to 'P', I'm content to draw conclusions from what I've observed. The shit fucks people up. Even people who remain functional on it would do better without it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alanzs View Post
    drug prohibition doesn't work...
    Yes it does.

    What doesn't work is tarring all psychoactive substances with the same brush.

    Legalise caffeine, cannabis, mushrooms and cocaine.

    Ban alcohol, methamphetamine, opiates and tobacco.

    Sorted.
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    There is no doubt it is a drug with long claws..

    What annoys me and that people buy in to the media hype.
    At the end of the day more people end up dead/injured through alcohol abuse than any of the other drugs combined.
    Yet this is seen as ok its part of " kiwi culture".

    Meanwhile the weekend warrior who likes to pop back the odd pill or have a chuff on the good gear to maximise his weekend is seen as some sort of crazed potential killer and has to hide like a fugitive while pissed up rugby heads go out and beat people up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inlinefour View Post
    I agree, right between the eyes, no need for a prison and the family can pay for the funeral.

    On a side note I see that carver is spouting shyte when he clearly has no idea. Once people ingest P they do all sorts of stupid shyte that they would normally not do and the first dose usually has them hooked on the substance for life. Why the fark would society want to make it easier and legal to do??? But then again carver thinks that it should be legal to treat NZ roads as stunt/race tracks, putting everyone else on the roads in danger, maybe he does that while on P?
    maybe i do have a idea.....
    how do you know i have no idea.....
    the "P" made here aint so pure, thats part of the problem.

    i belive in personal responsibility.

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    rubbish, The country is awash in "pure" P, as well as cut stuff and crap from bad batches. Its easy to see what it is just by looking at it. and the same worldwide.

    Carver, Get on a plane, fly to Sydney, walk down Kings Cross at 5am on any morning and see for yourself what a community infested with drugs looks like. For many there is no redemption. Its downhill to hell.

    I believe you don't know shit about shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marioc View Post
    There is no doubt it is a drug with long claws..

    What annoys me and that people buy in to the media hype.
    At the end of the day more people end up dead/injured through alcohol abuse than any of the other drugs combined.
    Yet this is seen as ok its part of " kiwi culture".

    Meanwhile the weekend warrior who likes to pop back the odd pill or have a chuff on the good gear to maximise his weekend is seen as some sort of crazed potential killer and has to hide like a fugitive while pissed up rugby heads go out and beat people up.
    Well something had to be legally 'allowed' - and it was alcamahol!!

    Your comment could easily apply to alcohol if other drugs were legal and it was not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Headbanger View Post
    rubbish, The country is awash in "pure" P, as well as cut stuff and crap from bad batches. Its easy to see what it is just by looking at it. and the same worldwide.

    Carver, Get on a plane, fly to Sydney, walk down Kings Cross at 5am on any morning and see for yourself what a community infested with drugs looks like. For many there is no redemption. Its downhill to hell.

    I believe you don't know shit about shit.
    kings cross...drugs are illegal there too eh?

    it made all the difference eh...

    people got to make choices....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrandom View Post
    Yes it does.

    What doesn't work is tarring all psychoactive substances with the same brush.

    Legalise caffeine, cannabis, mushrooms and cocaine.

    Ban alcohol, methamphetamine, opiates and tobacco.

    Sorted.
    That would be a start. I guess it would depend on what you mean by prohibition works. If it is the reduction in use, cost, and availability, it doesn't work. The DEA, the largest Drug Enforcement Agency in the world, has said this. There are more drugs available now than ever before.

    Freedom is the issue. Just because some headbanging idiot can't take responsibility for their actions, doesn't mean others can't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alanzs View Post
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    Freedom is the issue. Just because some headbanging idiot can't take responsibility for their actions, doesn't mean others can't.
    The issue is what sort of society we wish to live in, Its why the majority support drug laws, and the idiotic delusional fringe and clever bastards doing drugs think otherwise.

    Some people love drugs, No doubt about it, But the piper must be paid.

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