MNZ announces Motards back in F3!

[Kevin G]

It's not the fault of MNZ the riders were to apathetic to bother submitting something about this when MNZ asked for it and would rather just whine about it afterwards

I 100% agree. If the F3 riders could not see that perhaps any discussion on the subject could well effect them then they must live in caves or wear blinkers. Again I say to all those that did nothing when invited. TOUGH LUCK. live with your in-action. Maybe next time you will do something when asked.

Kevin Goddard

[Robert Taylor]

We are talking about different things. I've mentioned elsewhere that you can ride an F3 bike for as little as $1500, or, if you want to build a bike like say Terry Fitz's or GW's it will cost the average punter about 30k. It would also cost a shitload to get your bike (an ideal club racing F3 bike) to that level. Sure with a very good rider your bike might `run as high as third' on a twisty track, but that's not the same as being on equal equipment, which was my point.

Some of your price examples were a little off but I can also clearly see the points you are trying to make, as will others. The competitiveness and reliability of the bike is almost always linked to the dollars spent.
I care not if anyone wishes to argue black is white or white is black, thats the reality and arguments can be made from various parties without recourse to belittling comments.

[svr]

We are NOT talking about things- YOU are NOT sticking to the SV $ value part of it, that it is all, you are wondering around having a dribble and putting people of the idea of a TRUE SV F3 bike, USING the $ numbers you have posted, WHICH IS TOTALLY WRONG!



Read your own posts on this subject, and read my replies RE what I CAN! and HAVE AND DO SUPPLY FOR WHAT VALUE RE SV650

My dealis $12-500 less engine performance work
approx $5000
Forkkit
approx $1500-00

LESS THAN 20K for a true serious Terry Fitz = bike

carry on driver

I agree, for a very good deal someone could build an excellent F3 sv for 20k ish. But WITHOUT the DYMAG CARBON FIBER (OR MAGNESIUM) WHEELS, CUSTOM OHLINS TTX SHOCK, OHLINS FORK CARTRIDGES, SLIPPER CLUTCH, CUSTOM MADE TRIPLE CLAMPS, BETTER BRAKES, etc, which would add significant costs, and which other bikes he or she would be competing against most certainly do have.

With all due respect to you as a racer Shaun, I'm not sure how abuse and capital letters changes simple facts or mathematics, nor that we should insult racers by shielding them from truths which might otherwise `scare' them.

[svr]

Some of your price examples were a little off but I can also clearly see the points you are trying to make, as will others. The competitiveness and reliability of the bike is almost always linked to the dollars spent.
I care not if anyone wishes to argue black is white or white is black, thats the reality and arguments can be made from various parties without recourse to belittling comments.

Thanks for that. That 30k figure is `ballpark' that I came up with when I looked at building my bike, but I think it's pretty close. I had no idea I'd be hauled over the coals for making some basic empirical observations and what I thought was a simple logical point.

[scracha]

invited. TOUGH LUCK. live with your in-action. Maybe next time you will do something when asked.
Kevin Goddard

I must live in a cave because as far as I'm concerned the motards have sneaked back in to F3. I'd do a straw poll of other F3 racers next meeting and I'd bet at least half knew fark all about this. However, rules are rules so I'll now shut the fuck up about it.

And Shaun......you're a top bloke but STOP SHOUTING IN YOUR POSTS

[mud boy]

Sounds good to me. I don't race either class though.

maybe you should Skunk
that would be soo cool to see you out there haha


all up sounds good lsat class more lapps!

[Shaun]

I agree, for a very good deal someone could build an excellent F3 sv for 20k ish. But WITHOUT the DYMAG CARBON FIBER (OR MAGNESIUM) WHEELS, CUSTOM OHLINS TTX SHOCK, OHLINS FORK CARTRIDGES, SLIPPER CLUTCH, CUSTOM MADE TRIPLE CLAMPS, BETTER BRAKES, etc, which would add significant costs, and which other bikes he or she would be competing against most certainly do have.

With all due respect to you as a racer Shaun, I'm not sure how abuse and capital letters changes simple facts or mathematics, nor that we should insult racers by shielding them from truths which might otherwise `scare' them.

SVR Sorry You are correct, I was being Rude with the way I responded there

[Shaun]

I must live in a cave because as far as I'm concerned the motards have sneaked back in to F3. I'd do a straw poll of other F3 racers next meeting and I'd bet at least half knew fark all about this. However, rules are rules so I'll now shut the fuck up about it.

And Shaun......you're a top bloke but STOP SHOUTING IN YOUR POSTS

Rodga that

[slowpoke]

I agree, for a very good deal someone could build an excellent F3 sv for 20k ish. But WITHOUT the DYMAG CARBON FIBER (OR MAGNESIUM) WHEELS, CUSTOM OHLINS TTX SHOCK, OHLINS FORK CARTRIDGES, SLIPPER CLUTCH, CUSTOM MADE TRIPLE CLAMPS, BETTER BRAKES, etc, which would add significant costs, and which other bikes he or she would be competing against most certainly do have.

With all due respect to you as a racer Shaun, I'm not sure how abuse and capital letters changes simple facts or mathematics, nor that we should insult racers by shielding them from truths which might otherwise `scare' them.

"If you want to go as fast as everyone else do exactly what everyone else is doing."

This is a classic statement that still holds true today, but isn't the aim to actually beat other people, not just go as fast them? Even with an equivalent bike I'm afraid there are very few riders who can compete with Glen Williams and Terry Fitzgerald for ridng and set-up ability, so good luck with that.

So why not think outside the square? Isn't that the whole point of F3? There's an RS250 frame for sale on Trade Me as we speak which is the perfect base for something amazing if someone has the vision....but no, everyone just wants to buy it instead of build it.

If you just want the cheapest possible racing there are other classes available.

[svr]

Being motorsport money and speed will always be related but happily the relationship is complicated by factors such as building skill, parts sourcing ability and, being motorbike racing, riding ability.
Since its inception 20yrs ago F3 has certainly given rise to an incredibly creative array of chassis / engine combinations to showcase building ability, often built on shoestring budgets.
As a class it obviously means quite different things to different people (riders and/or builders), and its fairly unique position as the `multi-purpose' class probably explains its 20yr longevity to date.

[svr]

SVR Sorry You are correct, I was being Rude with the way I responded there

No worries - TT winners should get a bit of slack in my book.

[gimpy]

The rules mnz have made seem pretty good to me,I dont think its really going to affect the big meetings ie wanganui,paeroa as they have full f3 grids anyway but it will help with smaller club and bear meetings were you get guys on more dual purpose road dirt bikes that want to ride if a motard class isnt a option,I dont fully agree with motards in f3 but I did keep an I on what rule changes were going on and they werent going to affect me so I didn't voice an opinion,it cracks me up how people in the class moan about the change but how many of them actually voiced there concern to paul,not many by the sound of it ,it also cracks me up on how the motard guys moan like fuck about not being able to race in f3 but when someone uses the rules to there advantage as they do to race a proper race bike in there class and kicks there arses the rules couldn't be changed fast enough.

[TonyB]

For the record, had I voted, I would have voted to let Motards back in. I wasn't happy about them being kicked out of BEARS this year. NZ is too small to be able to afford to exclude people who want to race. The reason I didn't vote is because F3 is only one class I get to race in, and for the reasons I stated earlier, I thought it best to leave the decision to the racers who ONLY get to race in F3. I enjoy racing against bikes with different strengths and weaknesses.... but having said that, I reckon if I could only race F3 I'd be frustrated as hell with Motards

[Shaun]

No worries - TT winners should get a bit of slack in my book.

Cheers. I have Learned some more again!!

[mud boy]

Bring it ya scottish git, you me and the track

BWAAAAHHH

your a dreama ae Quasi