Cunt Key

[xwhatsit]

People are sick & tired of a semi-commie/socialist/liberal government

I don't think those words mean what you think they do

Anyway, I'm not! Long live the left-of-centre!

[MisterD]

What a fricken beat-up, Fran Mold looked like she was wetting her knickers running Liarbour's attack lines. Our mainstream media wouldn't know journalistic integrity if it smacked them in the face. I hope National sell TVNZ to Murdoch...that'll give those lefty twats a shake-up and a half.

We've got a pretty clear trail now that points to a $40,000 gift from the Vela family to Peters in return for him ramming pro-racing policy through against treasury advice...comparing that to a junior minister (at the time) asking public questions about the railways is just stupid mis-direction. Even Cullen admitted "this is not insider trading". Any buy/sell decisions were made on publicly available information.

[Katman]

looking at the topic, I thought you meant "credit card"

I thought he was having trouble getting his steering unlocked.

[ManDownUnder]

John Key ...

You need to put your name, home address etc at the bottom of that.

Strong words, but the most hypocritical thing you've seen in politics? Caphill's "don't have sex outside marriage" comes to mind, Cullen's "Investors aren't allowed to invest beyond our shores" would be another. My all time regular favourite (self serving more than hypocritical I guess) is the ramming through of parliamentary pay rises under the cloak of night, under urgency... every time!

Dude there's plenty of things out there like that and to be honest - Key risking his own money and him risking the nations money on something are two entirely different propositions. He's a made man - he can afford the high risk bets (which he lost in this case) - I don't mind him (or Mizz Clark) doing what the hell they like with their own money... it'd be a tad hypocritical of me to say they can't - when i want them to say I can.

[Swoop]

... a Labour Party troll?

That really describes the Prime Minister quite well.

[Tank]

ok - so Key made a whoopsie. Compare that with Clarke and Winny.

People are willing to hang Key on what is a small point. Yet are willing to put up with the Clarke and Winny show - people who treat the public with contempt, and believe they are above the law.

Sorry guy - I just cannot see how anyone can believe anything they say at the moment.

Remember - Labour look like they have NO change of getting into power without NZ First - and thats led by a man who will lie to parliament - this is now a fact.

and Helen is so desperate for him that despite this she still clings onto him for her own good.

I bet she will still stand by him when the SFO find him guilty as well.

Me thinks Winny has some good dirt on Helen - or her husband Wasn't he on holiday in the US recently?

[Skyryder]

You need to put your name, home address etc at the bottom of that.

Strong words, but the most hypocritical thing you've seen in politics? Caphill's "don't have sex outside marriage" comes to mind, Cullen's "Investors aren't allowed to invest beyond our shores" would be another. My all time regular favourite (self serving more than hypocritical I guess) is the ramming through of parliamentary pay rises under the cloak of night, under urgency... every time!

Dude there's plenty of things out there like that and to be honest - Key risking his own money and him risking the nations money on something are two entirely different propositions. He's a made man - he can afford the high risk bets (which he lost in this case) - I don't mind him (or Mizz Clark) doing what the hell they like with their own money... it'd be a tad hypocritical of me to say they can't - when i want them to say I can.

Capell's was a criminal offence where as Keys was not although I agree with your sentiment on Capell.

Key's hyprocrosy is straight political and that's not taking into account any possible breaches of Parliment through lying.

Key's sin is that he was slagging Clarke by keeping quet on her knowledge of Peter's 'gift' from Glen while at the same time 'misleading' Parliment on the amount of shares that he held in Tranz Rail. On top of that to justify his silence on this he claims no one asked how many he held.
As I said in an earlier post Parliment and the country took his word on this and now he blames those that took his word for not asking. Hypocracy is too light a word for this areshole but cunt is about right, and its not a word that I use lightly.




Skyryder

[Pwalo]

FWIW I think you will find that MPs were not required to state their financial interests before 2005. This apparently relates to 2003, and appears to be nothing more than a red herring to distract form the melodrama that is Winston Peters.

Oh and that pesky ETS, smacking law debacle, etc

[Tank]

Key made the following statement:

• I never personally owned shares in Tranzrail. My family trust did, and initially purchased Tranzrail shares prior to me entering Parliament.
• My broker managed the details of the trust’s portfolio, reporting to a solicitor acting as an independent trustee of the family trust, and was able to act without reference to me personally.
• In early June 2003 I saw that Tranzrail was going to be a political issue, and instructed that the shares be sold. The parcel as a whole was sold at a loss.
• My recollection is that I instructed the sale prior to the 11 June select committee meeting. Nevertheless, I now believe I should have instructed their sale earlier.
• I didn’t intend to mislead in regards to the number of shares the family trust owned. The trust owned different parcels on different dates, and the focus had been on a 30,000 share parcel which was the subject of a Labour Party allegation.
• I didn’t release details of those shareholdings at that time. In hindsight I should have, and I am doing so now.


So he owns up he could have done a better job at managing this and fronts up with all the facts. No bullshit - no bluster.

Would Helen and Winnie have done the same ? Given their actions of late - I think its clear that they wouldnt have.

[Winston001]

Lets have some clarity here:

John Key bought and sold Tranzrail shares, the last transaction being in June 2003, when he sold out. He lost money on the transactions.

In June 2003 the Labour Government announced they would buy into Tranzrail - which is why Key sold out, to avoid exactly the misinformed criticism he's receiving now. He didn't want to hold shares which were subject to political influence.

The Government withdrew and Toll bid instead. By December Toll had achieved ownership with the help of the Government.

A canny sharetrader would have been in and out of both Toll and Tranzrail possibly weekly as the share prices moved around over that 5 month period. Bear in mind that RailAmerica had also bid and there were rumours of other buyers.

If Key was the clever sneaky person Cullen is trying to pretend, he'd have been all over this to make a $. He wasn't - and even Cullen admits there was no insider trading.

[T.W.R]

melodrama that is Winston Peters.

Oh and if everyone would like to clear their memories, where did he start, who was his mentor

Thats right he started with National he was trained in his dark arts by the best of the bunch old Muldoon :slap:

[portokiwi]

But who do we vote fror????

[MisterD]

So he owns up he could have done a better job at managing this and fronts up with all the facts. No bullshit - no bluster.

All the facts to the extent that he's made a letter from his broker and the share contracts themselves available online - Kiwiblog has the links.

Remember that at the time there was no register of pecuniary interests for MP's and all the share holdings were a matter of public record as well...so the whole "misleading parliament" thing is a pile of .

[Winston001]

Further clarity:

Key was silly to trade Tranzrail when he held a Shadow Portfolio which included rail. I think it was naivety, particularly as he lost money.

Politicians have to be above any hint of undue influence and insider knowledge. Winston Peters take note

Labour's point - and it is valid - is that Key was in a position as a Parliamentarian and Shadow Minister to gain insider knowledge. MPs see a lot of stuff we don't. Ok, the knowledge might only be a couple of hours ahead of the public, but you can make (or avoid losing) a lot of money in 2 hours.

Whatever, the dishonesty and hipocracy of Peters makes everything else pale into insignificance.

[SPman]

" We have Key intensely questioning Cullen in a select committee meeting on the deal to buy back the track, when he has 50,000 shares lurking in the background, and other committee members have recused themselves for financial reasons. And we have Key increasing his stake, then pumping the stock in his MP's newsletter without disclosing that he had an interest, and doubling his money as a result. This is coming awfully close to using Parliamentary resources to run a pump and dump scam, and it shows at the minimum a complete inability to make the necessary distinction between public and private business. It seems Key was unable to check his wall St money-man instincts at the door when elected to public office, and just kept on wheeling and dealing. (And remember, all of this was wrong by Key's own standards. In October 2003, during the debate on Parliament's register of pecuniary interests, he said:

It might be a bit uncomfortable, but if I am a shareholder of Tranz Rail and I want to get up in this House and start talking about that company, then my shareholding is relevant.

Of course, Key had done exactly that, without saying a thing...)"
These are not the answers of an honest man. Instead, they are the answers of a bullshitter, with the truth admitted only when he realises it is already known. That dishonest attitude may have served Key well when he was crashing currencies for fun and profit - but we expect rather better from our politicians.

Sigh.........

Is there an HONEST political party in the country - one that says exactly what it means, has the interests of the country AND ALL OF ITS CITIZENS at the forefront of it's agendas and policies and doesn't bow down before the god of failed Keynsian economics, dictatorial "we know whats good for you" ideologies, or "lock em up and throw away the keys" social policy?.....

No.

Didn't think so..........politicians.......they're all a pack of self serving arseholes, who'll say and do anything to get their hands on the controls of power!

I think I'll vote for Dr Pita Sharples again!