Cunt Key

[Skyryder]

Don't be soft. That's just a standard lefty straw-man argument, people with money = bad.

It's not people with money=bad. That's baloney. You realy think that off shore 'resources' realy give a shit about New Zealanders.
They could not give a fuck about Joe Blog or for that matter anyone here on KB. If there was a profit for them they would ban all bikes............period.

That some here actually believe that these people have our interests at heart. Jeez...........the mind boggles. The only way to keep out offshore meddling in our elections is to have our elections funded by the those who are 'entitled' to vote.

If Carke has any political smarts left she would make that an election issue.


Skyryder

[Skyryder]

get rid of acc yay, cheaper regos

Bollicks. ACC was a contract that Muldoon took out on our behalf. In short it said give up the right to sue and the State will give you two thirds of your income if you are injured. etc.
There were levies because of this. If you think for one minute that a private insurer is going to give you a cheaper deal than at present you gotta be on another planet. If ya wanna know here's a link.

http://www.psa.org.nz/Libraries/Work...ch%202008.sflb


Skyryder

[Hinny]

...the bizzare Electoral Finance Act.

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If we had this in '75 we would not have got the Muldoon govt.
nuff said.

[Salival]

I honestly don't think you can trust anyone who seeks power. Very few people have entirely altruistic intentions, everyone has agendas which - if made known to the public - would embarass them.

If we go with the idea that no political party is entirely trustworthy, as can be reasonably demonstrated to a greater or lessor degree, the question becomes not who you can trust, but what to what ends they can be expected to misuse their power.

Now...

John Key is a business man. The National Party are heavily backed by members of the Business Round Table, conservative and right-wing groups. The campaign purse-strings are therefore controlled by a conservative, right-wing agenda. That much should be obvious. National looks out for private enterprise and has a focus on building personal financial wealth through enterprise. This is noble enough.

Labour is backed and funded largely by worker's unions and the like. Sure there'll be some private companies and special interests in there, but in general Labour has a socialist-based agenda - from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. That kinda thing, although I admit they get it wrong some of the time (tax cuts could've come MUCH sooner, for example).

I don't vote Labour or National. Surely if the trust issue is taken off the table (we can't trust any of the bastards), the question becomes more about which party would best support you in your hour of need. And I can't help but think that isn't going to be the National Party.

[Ocean1]

I the question becomes more about which party would best support you in your hour of need. And I can't help but think that isn't going to be the National Party.

I rather think it's more about the propensity of the respective parties to engender that hour of need.

Bunch of extrordinarilly needy fuckers we've become, time to look a bit closer to home for support.

[Quartermile]

Sorry about the thread name but I can think of no other word that 'so' describes this man.


John Key has got to be the ‘most’ hypocritical cunt in Parliment. He stands up in Parliament and pontificates on Clarke’s dishonesty in respect to the Owens/Peters loan and yet his lack of integrity is demonstrated by his purchase of 50,000 shares of Tranz Rail in Keys own name, and get this, while at the same time criticizing the Labour Government for wanting to buy back the Rail. Keys lame excuse on TV news that no one 'asked' and he lost money in no way excuses the fact that Keys purchase of the shares was too profit. Too profit while at the same time oppose Labour's buy back of the rail has got to be one of the most cynical and unethical actions I have ever witnessed in all my time of political activity. I’ve seen some shockers but this without exception beats all.



Skyryder.

Vote for your communist party then, and enjoy the shit slope the countries already on.



Cos all politicians are 100% honest 100% of the time!

[Hinny]

... cast your mind back to the last election where Helen got busted for spending tax-payers money on their election campaign. They changed the law to make it o.k, then gave the spent money back to 'charity'. That's my fucking tax money they spend on themselves, illegally, then change the law to make it alright, then go give the money they spent to a charity to look like the good guys.

If you're a hard working Kiwi, then voting Labour would be insane. Skyryder, if you're a student or on the benefit, no explanation needed.

That isn't very factual.
Labour submitted the bill for the pledge cards to Parliamentary Services for payment. It was paid as it was considered lawful and proper to pay it. It was standard practice. The raising of a question of the legitimacy of that payment led to a declaration that it wasn't within the prescribed parameters. Similarly for all parties except the Progressives. This interpretation was in contrast to legal opinions from Queen's Counsel. The law needed to be changed to reflect the reality of common historical practice.
I would gladly pay my share of the cost of a pamphlet from every political party which pledges to enact their stated pre-election policies.
It would certainly make rating each party on their historical performance a lot easier.
If you are still pissed that your tax money was spent in this manner send me your address and I will send you 20c to reimburse you for this 'stolen' money.

Don't, don't, don't,don't ...don't believe the hype.

[Max Preload]

Capitalism is in another of its death throes; yes, another. The crash of 29 and all the other crashes are much the same; proof that allowing sheer greed to dictate the economy is foolish and bound to end in tears.

How's the USSR doing these days?

[Hinny]

Vote for your communist party then, and enjoy the shit slope the countries already on.
!

If we are on a shit slope it's because the polls are showing National ahead.

Much has been publicised about the recession we are in. Technically we are in a recession as there was a decline in productivity for the second successive quarter. It went down 0.2% But FFS look at the bigger picture and see how far ahead we are from where we were when Labour came into office. The country is booming.
Get out and about and look at the wealth in this country now. The size of the new homes being built all over the place. Dairy farmers in particular seem to be doing really well.
Interesting also to see the figures published by the AA showing that even with petrol at $2.15 a litre over the last ten years it is 2/3rds the cost of owning and running a car as it was in the previous two ten year periods. During those two periods the cost changed about 0.2%
The statistics suggest that we are better off now than we have been since the demise of the third Labour govt.

[Quartermile]

If we are on a shit slope it's because the polls are showing National ahead.

The statistics suggest that we are better off now than we have been since the demise of the third Labour govt.

lol.

[pete376403]

How's the USSR doing these days?

If there is such a thing as the USSR anymore. Russia on it's own is doing rather well, given that much of Europes oil and gas come from there.
Apart from sideshows like Chechnya and Georgia they have managed to stay out of expensive and ultimately futile wars (unlike the US)


http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTE...305600,00.html

[MisterD]

Don't, don't, don't,don't ...don't believe the hype.

...convieniently ignoring the fact that the Auditor General (you know, the fella who's ruling actually matters) gave specific instructions and warnings ahead of the election - which Liarbour deliberately ignored. Please also note btw, that although a few individual National candidates broke the rules, the central party did not.

Oh, and for those connoisseurs of good ranting: my new favourite blog Old Holborn, yes it's a pommie one, but equally applicable to our own version of the socialist paradise.

[Quartermile]

If there is such a thing as the USSR anymore. Russia on it's own is doing rather well, given that much of Europes oil and gas come from there.
Apart from sideshows like Chechnya and Georgia they have managed to stay out of expensive and ultimately futile wars (unlike the US)


http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTE...305600,00.html

Yes, but they are no longer a communist dictatorship, and even though the US does have these wars their economy(ignoring the current fuckup) is booming.

[Jantar]

Bollicks. ACC was a contract that Muldoon took out on our behalf. ....... Skyryder

ACC was introduced by the Labour Govt under Kirk in 1973 and became law in 1974. That is one of the reasons I resigned from the Labour Party in 1973.

[Skyryder]

ACC was introduced by the Labour Govt under Kirk in 1973 and became law in 1974. That is one of the reasons I resigned from the Labour Party in 1973.

I stand corrected. Had this thing that it was Muldoon for some reason.

The 1972 Parliament voted unanimously to pass the Bill into law. The Act covered injuries to earners (both work and non-work injuries) and motor vehicle injuries. The Labour Government came into power later that year, and in 1973 passed an Amendment to the Act providing cover for those not already covered by the 1972 Act (including students, non-earners and visitors to New Zealand).


This would have been Marshal. I never knew that ACC was a bi-partisan piece of legislation.

So who took away the right to sue for liability or was that core
ACC from the start??


Skyryder