Newbies and UoA riders - this is aimed at you!!

[Ixion]

Again, a viewpoint. If you were sliding down the road, foot trapped between bike and road after getting hit - you might reconsider that position.

"riding defensively" = not being hit. Titanium toe sliders screams "squid". Never seen one riding defensively.

[Ragingrob]

So what happens if I pull out of Symonds st right after this marketing lab, in my helmet, gloves, leather jacket, armoured pants, full riding boots, and get hit by some careless driving?

Can we then make a point that UoA riders are exceptional in terms of riding gear and should be idolised for that?

Or can we only stereotype negative aspects?

That's the logic that doesn't make sense.

[bomma]

who the fuck are you to generalise this to the entire uoa riding crew?!?! in all fucking honesty, the moron who did himself in because of his idiocy isnt even on this site so THIS WHOLE FUCKING RANT IS POINTLESS!!

if i saw a white guy crash his bike, it doesn't give me the right to get onto a public forum and rant on about how white guys are idiots and they should pull their fucking head in.

if you hadnt been such a fucking moron and targeted a group of people unwarrantedly and in a "I AM GOD, HEED MY WARNING" type tone, the point you're trying to get across would be valid......well done ya dumass

hope the guy you rescued recovers quickly and onya for helpin out

[Ixion]

I disagee. Safety is something we should all be concerned about.

Your own safety. By all means. But you have no right to impose your own opinions (based on what you feel is appropriate for you ) on others.

I am probably more concerned about my own safety than any of you of yours. I don't like getting hurt. And I take such steps as I deem appropriate to keep me safe.

I do not demand that anyone else should comply with the standards I set myself. Let alone demand that those standards should be legislatively enforced.

If I did join the "pass a law" bandwagon, sprots bikes would be banned, and all bikes fitted with mandatory speed governors.And caught doing a wheelie, banned for life. Not to mention white hemets and hi-vis. And wouldn't you all moan and scream and complain.

So tell me then , why is that safety stops at what you think is enough?

If you wear all the gear, white helmet, hi-vis, ride a 'sensible' bike (not a sprots bike, by definition), have never had a speeding ticket on your bike, never done a wheelie etc, then maybe you are qualified to demand that others do as you do. If not, then not.

[Tank]

I was at university for seven years, I can debate,

Being at university for seven years doesn't mean you can debate - is more likely to indicate that your livers fucked.

[madbikeboy]

So what happens if I pull out of Symonds st right after this marketing lab, in my helmet, gloves, leather jacket, armoured pants, full riding boots, and get hit by some careless driving?

Can we then make a point that UoA riders are exceptional in terms of riding gear and should be idolised for that?

Or can we only stereotype negative aspects?

That's the logic that doesn't make sense.

As I was standing on the side of the road today, I was watching the UoA bikers get on their bikes and ride off. Of all the UoA riders that I saw do this in the 45 or so minutes that I spent witnessing accident, helping scrape young guy off the road, and chatting with cop - guess how many UoA riders suited up within anything other than helmet and gloves. None. Not one. Go observe the same way I did. Cop made the point to me that none of the young'uns were wearing much safety gear.

I can stereotype something positive, the cagers girlfriend was a very good looking Asian.

[madbikeboy]

who the fuck are you to generalise this to the entire uoa riding crew?!?! in all fucking honesty, the moron who did himself in because of his idiocy isnt even on this site so THIS WHOLE FUCKING RANT IS POINTLESS!!

if i saw a white guy crash his bike, it doesn't give me the right to get onto a public forum and rant on about how white guys are idiots and they should pull their fucking head in.

if you hadnt been such a fucking moron and targeted a group of people unwarrantedly and in a "I AM GOD, HEED MY WARNING" type tone, the point you're trying to get across would be valid......well done ya dumass

hope the guy you rescued recovers quickly and onya for helpin out

This Dumbass has an IQ good enough for Mensa. You swear a lot. Have you got PMS?

[Patar]

I don't think people will ever stop whinging about what other people should and should not do. Some of you sound like the safety nazi's, it if you want to be completely safe you'd never leave the house (and even then...).

My point is, I don't give a rats arse what other people do anywhere, anytime or anyhow, and I don't understand why so many of you do.
I mean sure, if my friend was riding in shorts and t-shirt i'd suggest to him that he might want to get some proper gear, but I'm not going to go all 'hollier than thou' bullshit.

Life is all about risks, that's why I jump out of planes, off bridges, ride motorbikes and even sit under coconut trees, and you as an individual choose which ones to take, which ones to avoid and which ones to minimise.

If you don't like it, vote National, get ACC privatised, pay your own insurance premiums and go live in a bubble.

[Ragingrob]

As I was standing on the side of the road today, I was watching the UoA bikers get on their bikes and ride off. Of all the UoA riders that I saw do this in the 45 or so minutes that I spent witnessing accident, helping scrape young guy off the road, and chatting with cop - guess how many UoA riders suited up within anything other than helmet and gloves. None. Not one. Go observe the same way I did. Cop made the point to me that none of the young'uns were wearing much safety gear.

I can stereotype something positive, the cagers girlfriend was a very good looking Asian.

Lol well maybe the dude got a good last image before being hit then!

Ok well statistics do have their fault I guess depeding on what samples ya get. The few bikers I've seen today were in at least helmet, gloves and jacket. Bomma I saw in his full leathers and I've got all my gear.

Most of the guys I saw are in the Uni bike club, and they've got decent gear on. This is where perhaps the difference lies between bikers who ride for the riding, and bikers who ride for the transport.

Noticed a guy yesterday in shorts and hoody WITH a female pillion in casual clothes, on a 250.

[chubby]

Ixion
To be honest... if anyone is trying to pass their views onto others its you. I don't want to sweep safety under the carpet, as you are trying to do and I, at least support discussing safety. Personally, I find your comments of how your attention to safety greater then mine not only very condesending but devoid of any facts or knowledge. You obviously take your safety seriously, you obviously have some experiance in this area. Why not try and be positive and build on comments that are made rather than try and down cry others attempts.

and as a last comment, from me, on your comments. Do you actually read what others say or do you just make up bits to support what opinions you want to get across.

[Griffin]

I don't think people will ever stop whinging about what other people should and should not do. Some of you sound like the safety nazi's, it if you want to be completely safe you'd never leave the house (and even then...).

My point is, I don't give a rats arse what other people do anywhere, anytime or anyhow, and I don't understand why so many of you do.

A couple of things cross my mind reading your post... but before I start - may I remind you that this is a public forum where people state their opinions and you are welcome to disagree. What you have taken as whinging, others will take as good advice.

1: Just out of curiosity - when you jump off bridges - do you wear the appropriate safety hear? When you jump out of planes - do you pass on the recommended safety items? Im sure you dont - so why isnt it a sensible suggestion that people wear reasonable safety gear when riding a machine that is capable of reaching high speeds and is invisible to most other road users?

2: Im pretty sure your "I dont give a rats arse about what other people do anytime etc" would very quickly change if that person was to cause injury or death to someone you cared about.

MBB - you sure know how to start a shit fight...

[madbikeboy]

Lol well maybe the dude got a good last image before being hit then!

Ok well statistics do have their fault I guess depeding on what samples ya get. The few bikers I've seen today were in at least helmet, gloves and jacket. Bomma I saw in his full leathers and I've got all my gear.

Most of the guys I saw are in the Uni bike club, and they've got decent gear on. This is where perhaps the difference lies between bikers who ride for the riding, and bikers who ride for the transport.

Noticed a guy yesterday in shorts and hoody WITH a female pillion in casual clothes, on a 250.

Okay, so the poor method to collect data and the relatively small sample size that was clearly not representative of the popluation was not entirely scientific. I'm more than willing to stand on the street and count, but you can see how I made that intellectual leap given the evidence before me.

It's up to each of us to decide our own paths - I wouldn't engage in relations with ugly women as some of you choose to do. I won't listen to rap, or drive drunk (or ride at all after drinking). I have enough risk in my life, which is why I try and minimise the risks that I can control. It doesn't take a PhD to see that taking some precautions lessens the risks that we as bikers face each day. Forgetting about the rants, logically we're at risk, it makes sense to reduce the risk where we can.

[bomma]

This Dumbass has an IQ good enough for Mensa. You swear a lot. Have you got PMS?

lol mensa should know by now that IQ isnt a very reliable measure of "Intelligence".....and nah i just like swearing...was gonna edit that post and add a few more swear words, but i couldn't be arsed....

and btw, there isn't much of a rebuttle in your post.....but at least your amazing "intelligence" (and i'm assuming that's why you mentioned MENSA, to promote yourself as a reverse-dumbass) managed to get you to change the subject.....well done.....dumass

[madbikeboy]

MBB - you sure know how to start a shit fight...

The irony is that I started this thread with concern for the young'uns, and as the cop pointed out to me this morning, we bikers are massively over-represented in accidents that he attends.

I seem to have a gift at annoying people, just ask my ex-fiancee who still seems annoyed at me even though we haven't talked in 2 years. And I seem to make Bomma want to swear a lot and say dumass even more...

[xwhatsit]

MBB, I normally quite like what you have to say -- you come across as a common-sense kind of guy. But I would've thought somebody who spent so many years getting an education would see the problems with your argument.

That is, if I'm reading you right.

Let's clarify something -- you're in favour of passing laws to make `proper' riding gear compulsory?