Absolute bollocks! (Self defence issue)

[Murray]

Not sure the fill story has come out yet, seems like there is more to it than meets the eye.

maybe so but surely the media would have aledged something by now and what were they doing wandering the streets with a knife or knives and pissed. Surely this is illegal and they should have been arrested. It took the police 10 minutes to arrive after being called. Great stuff, so we all now know that if we see someones bike being stolen we can only watch, call and give them at least 10 minutes start (non life threatening so probably longer). Sorry but this has just ruined my day and makes me all the sadder about society and where we are heading. Election coming up gives a huge opportunity to make a statement on this!!!

Bloody rediculous

[NZsarge]

"
- if you are prepared to carry a deadly weapon with intent then you had better prepare to die. Simple.

Fookin' exactly!

[Headbanger]

Well, hmm. There you go. Even if people are drunk and 'known shoplifters', shopkeepers shouldn't be beating them up with hockey sticks outside the shop.

I can see why the cops decided to charge the guy. His actions are understandable, but then all sorts of violent crimes are understandable - doesn't make 'em right.

Think of his shop as your house, would you still feel the same?

Good on him for giving him the bash, pity it doesn't happen more often.

[Swoop]

Fookin' exactly!

You might appreciate this little bit of truth then...

[Goblin]

Kinda reminds me of Mr Chef on the bus. Hope Mr Shopkeeper doesnt get prison time.

[smoky]

I have a propensity to say ‘good on ya mate’ for anyone who stands up against street vermin and thugs, kick their arses back I say.

But for my own experience;
I was a teenager, living in a town of infamous repute littered with gangs,
I did look like a wayward youth.

I had purchased a said item in a shop, it was not what was advertised, feeling ripped off I returned, whilst waiting in line I witnessed him being very abusive to a person with down syndrome giving him the incorrect change, I challenged him.
Long story short – by the time I had got onto the reason I had returned; the shopkeeper had picked up a baseball bat and was asking me to leave his shop.

Being young and stupid I used a number of profanities while explaining I wasn’t leaving with out a full refund – he responded by attacking me with a baseball bat
Blood followed – police turned up, I was arrested and removed.
He claimed he was defending him self – because he was a shopkeeper everyone automatically presumed he was the victim and he got away with it.

So now I kind of don’t trust one-sided stories, we have an ‘innocent until proven guilty’ justice system – like it or not. So unless there’s clear evidence of a crime or threat to the shopkeeper then he effectively attacked an innocent person/s.
Not a good way to look at it – unless you’re on the receiving end unjustly.

Or – because I chose to dress and look like a thug, and live in those kind of areas then perhaps you live with the disadvantages that society deals out for looking a certain way.
A bit like seeing a 5 minute slot on the news – the person who was dealt to in a hoodie and buying alcohol form a liquor shop in south Auckland, the odds are they deserved it. Wouldn’t we all like to dish out a bit punishment to these delinquent looking twats with their baggy jeans half way down their arse and hoodies covering their ugly faces – intimidating little shits.

[Murray]

Being young and stupid I used a number of profanities while explaining I wasn’t leaving with out a full refund – he responded by attacking me with a baseball bat
Blood followed – police turned up, I was arrested and removed.
He claimed he was defending him self – because he was a shopkeeper everyone automatically presumed he was the victim and he got away with it.

So now I kind of don’t trust one-sided stories, we have an ‘innocent until proven guilty’ justice system – like it or not. So unless there’s clear evidence of a crime or threat to the shopkeeper then he effectively attacked an innocent person/s.
Not a good way to look at it – unless you’re on the receiving end unjustly.

So were you pissed and carrying a knife and did you stab him while he was hitting you???? And were you in a pack of 4 and had there been several other killings/stabbings/robberies happen recently in the same area. Sorry but this has got completely out of hand and if I was in the shopkeepers position I would also be taking the "protect thyself" attitude

[Ocean1]

So now I kind of don’t trust one-sided stories

Wise. I've also found it prudent not to trust stories with multiple sides, 'cause they're no more likely to be accurate.

If I've seen it I'll believe it.

Usually.

we have an ‘innocent until proven guilty’ justice system

That we do.

Except for vehicular crime.


Edit: Society doesn't dish out disadvantages to anyone in particular. People refrain from dishing out advantages to those they don't identify with.

[smoky]

Except for vehicular crime.

Actually you’re still innocent until you pay the fine – it’s taken as an admission of guilt

[Murray]

Wise. I've also found it prudent not to trust stories with multiple sides, 'cause they're no more likely to be accurate.

If I've seen it I'll believe it.

Usually.



That we do.

Except for vehicular crime.


Edit: Society doesn't dish out disadvantages to anyone in particular. People refrain from dishing out advantages to those they don't identify with.

Better stop reading newspapers then!!!

[smoky]

Better stop reading newspapers then!!!

Do you actually believe what the media feeds you then……?

[devnull]

Roll on the election!!

http://www.cafepress.com/rooftops



It's time for a BIG shake-up
No more PC bullshit... poor wee crims crap

Time to boot the politically appointed Broad, his sidekick Pope, and the deputy comissioner (the librarian), and put REAL cops in there that can get things done
Because either we have a functioning police force and legal system, or we have vigilante justice.

As it stands now, vigilante justice wins hands down

[Murray]

Do you actually believe what the media feeds you then……?

Hell no, I have had to much experience for that. But saying I'll believe it if I see it is a very bold statement. It's like saying the Antartic is not there because I haven't seen it. Taking the micky here a bit, I am actually totally against newspapers and their "alleged comments and a neighbour is quoted as saying" crap.

My point is that drunken youths with knives were at a shop and the shopkeeper protected himself and gets charged. 1) they were drunk trying to get into or were in his shop (no dispute from police or witnesses) 2) they had knives (no dispute from police or witnesses) 3) the shopkeeper was stabbed (no dispute from police or witnesses). The police are prosecuting for using excessive force (no dispute). What right does someone have against drunken youths with a knife??? Yes you can protect yourself but not too much????

I also note a 55 year old shop keeper was stabbed 4 times in the back and neck last night and while the police were attending that, another call came in for another knife point robbery at another shop nearby. Now this is in the newspapers so you can believe it or not but seems pretty clear and umambiguous.

People must have the right to defend themselves against armed intruders/offenders!!!! And with recent events there is a fine line between armed robbery/attempted homocide.

[smoky]

Roll on the election!!

No more PC bullshit... poor wee crims crap
Because either we have a functioning police force and legal system, or we have vigilante justice.

As it stands now, vigilante justice wins hands down

That’s the real point isn’t it – do we have faith in our thin blue line to be there when we need them (they always seem to be there when I drive too fast).
And once apprehended do we have faith that our justice system (department of corrections included) will sufficiently punish or rehabilitate them as to deter them from re-offending or dissuade people from taking up a life of crime
Are the consequences enough? I don’t think they are;
I think the chances of being caught are getting slimmer, and the consequences getting less

But who’s offering a better alternative?

[martybabe]

Could be worse - poncey blokes in white clothes playing cricket - how gay (and English ) is that?

Unlike the butch Scotish game eh.