Te Kuiti cop: taking him 2 court

[sidecar bob]

Hey slammy,
I rekon you were doing more than 106 when you passed the van & trailer on the back wheel just out of Blenheim. Maybe that speedo does need calibrating.

[SlideMoto]

Sprocket change should not affect speedo reading as most bikes speedo is driven from front wheel.

Yeah. In the fifties maybe

[Boob Johnson]

Most of the advice is incorrect as well. I'm sure our resident will confirm that there is no requirement for the officer to show you the radar reading. He can, but there is no compulsion.

The Police don't have to have a radar reading, I'm sure they can resort to old tech such as following you and checking your speed

Good to know, always thought they had to have a reading, doesn't stop them from saying you were operating the vehicle in a dangerous manor, struth with the new boy racer laws they can pretty much ticket you for wearing a Hawaiian shirt in winter ffs lol.



ps: to all those people having a go at Slammy about grammar etc leave it out already! Some of the brightest minds the world has ever known have had dyslexia (why is it sooooo hard to spell??? Oh the irony lol) so please leave it out eh. I personally know two people who are extremely successful in business but can't spell for shit, one of them is a good mate from way back & he would just laugh in your face if you hassled him about spelling, then show you his bank account before spraying rubber in your face with his Aston Martin for good measure


pps: Slammy you can install a spell checker to your browser (I use mozilla), extremely helpful when a brain fart blocks the correct spelling

[boomer]

Since when has KiwiBiker been a forum only for people who spell and punctuate to perfection? Christ, you lot picking on spelling oughta get a life! Nothing better to do than try to make yourselves look all superior. Dyslexia is common. Get over yourselves!

Good luck in court Slamdog. If I were you I'd fight the number plate issue too. Take pics to prove it is visible and readable. Sounds like the cop just hates bikers.

i must agree... well said lady lady

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Personal responsibility people - the guy has a plate in a position thats hard to see - his choice - but dont waaaaaaa when he gets caught. Anyone that believes that the plate is in a legal (being fully visible etc) needs their head read

Mate, I reckon Ray Charles could see that plate!!!

[yungatart]

How is doing 106 kph NOT speeding? The speed limit in NZ is 100 kph...anything in excess of that IS speeding.

Pay the ticket...you did do the "crime", now you have to do the time...

[Tank]

Nar man, get off the damn thing. You don't have to prove anything since you are not making the allegation. If its about money, then it will be cheaper to pay it in this case. If its about the principle and the game of it, then fight it.

Step one is always calling the officers bluff on the roadside - something like "no mate - thats not proof" or "no I wasn't travelling at that speed - I'll deny that in a court of law." Basically make it look like a lot of hard work for nothing for them with an afternoon in court as well.

Step two - wait for the computer printed infringement notice and back on the bluff - "I was not travelling at the alleged speed. I have legal advice and I will defend myself in a court of law."

In court, state that you explained the situation to the irate officer at the scene but he would hear no logic, and that you further explained this in writing which was ignored also, so now you are explaining it to the judge, and that officers assumption in this case is simply incorrect.

I recently got pinged for 119k - I just grinned and paid it. I ran straight into oncoming radar on a straight carless road. He also did me for breach of licence conditions (400bux) as my exemption had actually expired, but I wriggled my way out of that one.

Life is about getting what you want, not doing what you're told.


Steve

So lets assume that it goes to court.

He either has to say - Yes your honour - I was speeding - just not by that much or

Lie under oath and say he wasnt speeding.

The first one aint going to get him out of a ticket - thats obvious. At the very best he gets a reduced fixed fine and it saves him the difference of $50 for the speeds we are talking here.

Telling porkies under oath isn't exactly a great idea either.

It makes me sick - when I see people who have been given leanency (like you not getting ticketed for the $400 for being out of licence conditions) then go out of your way to try and make it difficult for the same people who cut you some slack. If fact youre recommending:

"In court, state that you explained the situation to the irate officer at the scene"

Where the fuck did he say that the cop was irate? - (think about it why the fuck would a cop be irate for pulling over a fucken speeder?)

Kama is a bitch..... Looks like you are heading to the wrong side.

At least you didnt recommed that the original poster throw his toys out of the cot and "take it International", or burst into tears - so at least you are getting a little better.

[Tank]

The first thing he hit me up for was my number plat that is not standard and said he was going to give me a ticket for that .............I am paying the fine for the number plate as fears fear

FTP!

I wouldn't be too quick to pay the fine on your number plate. Write in to contest it and say that you weren't aware there we're laws regarding whatever is 'illegal' about it... and say that you are happy to comply with the legislation if they can point you in the right direction... Worth a try anyway.

Just because you cannot find it - doesn't mean that its not there and ignorance of the law is not a defence.

Good luck in court Slamdog. If I were you I'd fight the number plate issue too. Take pics to prove it is visible and readable.

Looks like its not standard and Slamdog has already said that thats a fair cop - taking pics when its a 'modified' plate probably isn't going to help.

Mate, I reckon Ray Charles could see that plate!!!

ohhh - Id bet a winning lottery ticket thats not right.

OK - its not 'too bad' - and I have defiantly seen a lot worse - but I doubt that its 'legal' - having said that the fact that it sounds like its been trimmed or something and as its in a 'less than optimal' position the copper probally thought - thats a $xxx please.

[scumdog]

the filth didn't offer you to sight radar read...fuck him..take it to court...another clear reason why so much hate is towards the Blue gang..

Hey, I don't hate them....

[CookMySock]

Kama is a bitch..... Looks like you are heading to the wrong side.

Heh, you are so full of personal development advice aren't you. I think if you want to give up, roll over, and give in, well be my guest. It will be me in line behind you, making what was yours, mine - I have no qualms about that.

Steve

[BIGBOSSMAN]

ohhh - Id bet a winning lottery ticket thats not right.

OK - its not 'too bad' - and I have defiantly seen a lot worse - but I doubt that its 'legal' - having said that the fact that it sounds like its been trimmed or something and as its in a 'less than optimal' position the copper probally thought - thats a $xxx please.

Well, it's easily visible from the rear (or sides) of the bike. The only issue would be if the rider was being followed by the Eagle chopper, and it'd be impossible to view the plate anyway!
I can't see what the problem is it can be seen from behind just like any other plate!
The Fruity one's dad successfully blew his numberplate ticket out of court http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=54716
and I reckon you'd have to be a fricken flounder to read it, so what is the issue here? Orwellian control over us lowly serfs??

[boomer]

Heh, you are so full of personal development advice aren't you. I think if you want to give up, roll over, and give in, well be my guest. It will be me in line behind you, making what was yours, mine - I have no qualms about that.

Steve

Somebody from International headquarters tell me what this dick head just said please..??!

[Fatjim]

have you actually thought about obeying the speed limit?

You are joking? right?

[Matt_TG]

People seem to think that Police hate being told how to do their job. They love it and respond appropriately - usually by digging their toes in.

I've been on a few shifts with Police (admittedly not traffic) and lost count of how many "lawyer wannabies" are out there. Mostly pissed hot heads in their early twenties who have supposedly done (or started and not finished) a law degree and 'know their rights'. Usually they are asked why they are not lawyers now - it shuts them up.

Then when they get put in a cell to cool off they get all verbal again ... seeing them stumble out into the daylight at 7am is worth it, they look sorry for themselves and not as full of bravado as the night before.

Not that KBers ride pissed, but although different circumstances the face to face confrontations are what makes the job ... it's a long day / night without some action. It's up to you as to whether you want your local copper's job to be boring or action packed. Your best form of punishment is to make it boring for him - there will certainly be others out there who will take your place.

By reacting there and then (the DangerousBastard method of community spirit) you're giving him something to look forward to ... and maybe next time he's sat in his car counting down the hours he'll look for you to go through it again.

Your call.

PS: Spelling and grammar aint the be all and end all but it gets points across better - to those who can spell and write proper

[CookMySock]

By reacting there and then (the DangerousBastard method of community spirit) you're giving him something to look forward to ... and maybe next time he's sat in his car counting down the hours he'll look for you to go through it again.

That is one of the best summaries of the cops attitude I have ever seen. Nice description!

Steve