250 vs Boy Racer

[racefactory]

lol if you believed that staged video then you clearly have no idea of what an R1 is... that was staged from the begginning... Neil was barely leaning the bike in that lame video! He was taking corner entries on the inside of the turn, off of the racing line and the way that porsche... magically... ''caught'' him on the brakes was just.. well see for yoursefl... it's laughable. Jeremy is reknown for his strange hatred towards bikes incase you hadn't picked up. An r1 is an immensely, immensely powerful bike not to mention its handling and braking... worlds from your CB250 hornet mate. read some proper articles... clarkson is ok for a laugh but to draw any conclusions from his stuff is rediculous! I'm sorry but that's ludicrous! a GT3 is most definately NOT quicker than an r1 around a track... not even the most powerful lambourghini supercars can beat stock standard litre bike around the track, the power/weight ratio of such bikes are literally mind-boggling and deserve respect, not only that, but they have the handling and braking to match... It'd certainly be an interesting battle to see a 250 2 stroke or a VFR400 NC30 with a GT3- that's more of a match... but a modern litre bike? you're out of your mind mate!

[BANZAI]

around a track (silverstone) a car (GT3) is quicker than a bike (race spec R1) It comes down to how much rubber is on the road. I watch too much jeremy clarkson

I watched that one too!

I watched it first time when I was in Car side, so I thought "why people get bikes? cars are better "

But then I got bike now and I'm on Bike side

I watched it again and like.... awwwwww...... whyyyyyy......it's just a f--king GT3.....WHY CANT R1 BEAT THE PORSCHE!!!!!

[BANZAI]

lol if you believed that staged video then you clearly have no idea of what an R1 is... that was staged from the begginning... Neil was barely leaning the bike in that lame video! Jeremy is reknown for his strange hatred towards bikes incase you hadn't picked up. An r1 is an immensely, immensely powerful bike not to mention its handling and braking... worlds from your CB250 hornet mate. read some proper articles... clarkson is ok for a laugh but to draw any conclusions from his stuff is rediculous! I'm sorry but that's ludicrous! a GT3 is most definately NOT quicker than an r1 around a track... not even the most powerful lambourghini supercars can beat stock standard litre bike around the track, the power/weight ratio of such bikes are literally mind-boggling and deserve respect, not only that, but they have the handling and braking to match... It'd certainly be an interesting battle to see a 250 2 stroke or a VFR400 NC30 with a GT3 but a modern litre bike.. you're out of your mind mate!

It Was???? O_o

Lambo is like a turtle, it's too big for track and too large for track.

Whatbout Lotus 7s and Arial Atom and those super light track days special?? They are really quick.

Apparently there's company in US or somewhere makes 2x busa engine together to make 2.8L V8 and put it in Lotus 7 replica.

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm sounds nice

[racefactory]

Lol if you were wondering why the hell the R1 didnt beat it then you were wondering along the right lines... the video is a total joke. Clarkson has a strange hatred towards bikes that he always let's show when he can lol.

As for track day special cars... a respected car magazine brought along a stock standard 2005 GSXR1000, and a race modified one... raced them against lamboughinis, porsche and lastly the super light caterham super 7 R400 track car which is one HELL of a machine, comparable to the atom and such other light weight 4 wheel track machines... caterham super7 from memory was the same as the stock 2005 GSXR1000.

Just for the record... JGTC (very popular japanese supercar racing series comprising of totally race built 1050kg 550hp machines with such names you've probably heard of like the Castrol/Denso/Esso Supra, Calsonic/pennzoil/loctite R34GTR, Castrol Mugen/raybrig NSX etc) do the same lap times as the World Superbike and motogp 500cc 2 strokes.

Once again... the real limiting factor with most of these everyday situations is that it takes so much more (big balls, no fear etc) for a rider to exert the performance from a motorcycle than a driver from a car. In other words, the rider is clinging to a bucking and leaning machine whereas the driver is wrapped inside a comfy metal cage!

Lambo is a turtle and too big for the track? I bet to differ.. with 4wd, low CG and truckloads of power, that thing is one hell of a machine. I'll think i'll leave you with the number 7 FIA GT murcielago gtr for now... fucking lovely...

[DIN PELENDA]

My ST1100 with pillion is faster than any car that try race me V8 or boy racers but my R1 is not because the are not trying to race my R1 newer once.

[racefactory]

I don't understand... say again?

[vtec]

Well, I'd like to agree with you. But I think an R1 round Taupo would be about the same as a GT3. Cars (with quality tyres and suspension) can corner and brake faster than bikes, and the GT3's top speeds are awesome aswell.

Leong, a friend of mine who frequents the forum and who has raced supersport had a Porsche Carrera S that he used for trackdays, and more recently he's got into motorbike racing, and he IS quick. Anywho, in the 80's he was NZ remote control car national champion so he's bloody sharp. His laptimes in his track car are noticeably faster than his times on the GSXR600 by several seconds.

If you really want to know if cars are faster or motorbikes. Leong is definitely the man to talk to. He took Fabian Coulthard for a few laps in his Porsche on Taupo, and Fabian said that he didn't think that he could do it any faster than Leong did... P.S. I'm quicker on the motorbike than Leong :P

He's got some great onboard video's on youtube, look up Taupo Leong to see them.

[BANZAI]

Come to think of it, maybe we should do Club 250 thread Drag meeting? LOL

[fatzx10r]

Well, I'd like to agree with you. But I think an R1 round Taupo would be about the same as a GT3. Cars (with quality tyres and suspension) can corner and brake faster than bikes, and the GT3's top speeds are awesome aswell.

Leong, a friend of mine who frequents the forum and who has raced supersport had a Porsche Carrera S that he used for trackdays, and more recently he's got into motorbike racing, and he IS quick. Anywho, in the 80's he was NZ remote control car national champion so he's bloody sharp. His laptimes in his track car are noticeably faster than his times on the GSXR600 by several seconds.

If you really want to know if cars are faster or motorbikes. Leong is definitely the man to talk to. He took Fabian Coulthard for a few laps in his Porsche on Taupo, and Fabian said that he didn't think that he could do it any faster than Leong did... P.S. I'm quicker on the motorbike than Leong :P

He's got some great onboard video's on youtube, look up Taupo Leong to see them.

you should line ya mate up at the track at some stage... and then let us know the result, lol.

but for the most part... a trick car (gt3,supercar's,race car's) will lap faster than a bike around most race's track's, because of the level of grip they get from having training wheel's and down force and shit like that.but hey look at the cost of these cage's and then ya see the bike's give ya the best bang for your buck

who the fuck would want a car anyway

[vtec]

Would love to but they generally don't let bikes and cars on the tracks at the same time. Would have to rent the track out specifically for it. Plus he recently sold the Porsche. My brother has a 500hp mitsi GTO, but he drives it like a pussy because he put too much money into it, and he's only taken it on the track once at Pukekohe and only got 1.16, which is lame.

and you are right. Cost of running a track car is insane. Leong says he enjoys the bike more. But he did come off at over 200kph recently at a trackday. Rattled him a bit.

[NOMIS]

Would love to but they generally don't let bikes and cars on the tracks at the same time. Would have to rent the track out specifically for it. Plus he recently sold the Porsche. My brother has a 500hp mitsi GTO, but he drives it like a pussy because he put too much money into it, and he's only taken it on the track once at Pukekohe and only got 1.16, which is lame.

and you are right. Cost of running a track car is insane. Leong says he enjoys the bike more. But he did come off at over 200kph recently at a trackday. Rattled him a bit.

500hp GTO and only 1.16 omg your kidding, Mate of mine Got a GTO targa car factory engine ectp pod and blow of valve and no speed cut , he pulled 1.14 lol omg your kidding right?, yeh he got coil overs decentish brakes ( good ducting I made :-) ) cage and monster sticky semi slicks ( road legal )

Still no way near 500hp worth only just managed to pull 4th gear on the sraight, targa Rotorua hardly came out of 2nd gear

[vtec]

He said he was pussyfooting around, but I know it's cause he was just scared of damaging his ride. His mate in a nicely modified RX7 managed only 1.16 also. Very lame. But in your pride and joy first time on the track I'm sure it can be a bit intimidating.

Plus he had very average tyres. Dumbass. He'd done everything else except for suspension and tyres.... Slotted discs. But tyres and suspension are vital.

[NOMIS]

He said he was pussyfooting around, but I know it's cause he was just scared of damaging his ride. His mate in a nicely modified RX7 managed only 1.16 also. Very lame. But in your pride and joy first time on the track I'm sure it can be a bit intimidating.

I get to race a V9 Sti around taupo ful track in sec im hoping for sub 1.47's thats blody quick but set my eyes high. id like to do pukekohe but I no longer have a decent car to hit it in.

[vtec]

I get to race a V9 Sti around taupo ful track in sec im hoping for sub 1.47's thats blody quick but set my eyes high. id like to do pukekohe but I no longer have a decent car to hit it in.

Awesome, well have fun. Don't smash it hahahaha. It's kind of hard to though, cause they don't fall over like bikes do.

[revlikeshit]

As the owner of both a 150 and a 750, and a regular drag racer at meremere (nightspeed and winter dw) i just thought i'd add in my 2 cents....

Speaking from experience most stock(ish) boyracer cars will get hazed buy a decent 250(zxr,cbr etc)...

My aircooled rgv150(the poo version as some people put it) has run a 1/4 mile in 15.9@129kmh, and 9.9sec@110kmh through the 1/8.... not that fast but is faster 1/8 mile than lightly modded gsr lancers 1.8turbo, honda's ,gtst's even stock vr4's...etc, not bad for a bike with bearly more than 20rwhp....


Genereally a bike running say a 13 flat will trap about 10kmh(give or take) slower than a car running 13 flat(bar cars on slicks and very hard launched turbo 4wd)..... and bike is faster over 1/8 mile by a considerable margin...

Have also run a 14.37 @143kmh on another guys zxr250 at winterdragwars no.2(first time ever riding a 4cyl 250) so was taking it easy as... could do 13.9-14.1's @145+ at nightspeed easy...
it ran 9.2sec@125kmh through the 1/8 mile with a easy as start slipping the clutch at 9-10,000rpm (2.3sec 60ft-could do 2.1's).... takes a quick car to do 8sec 1/8 miles.....

Dont be put off by all the talk.... an average bike is alot faster than most people realise...