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funny how no one realises what a hornet can do and leaves them out of the "decent" 250's.. again not talking up the bike they differnt from a cbr and zxr but in a straight line will give them a run for the money in somecases beat them.. actually beat them in the 2-3 ive come across
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yeh its a full production series race car should be funOriginally Posted by vtec
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Well I guess we've wandered off the original 250 vs boy racer topic to a cars vs bikes thread. I owned a 997 Carrera S between 2005 and 2007 as vtec said and during that time decided to learn to ride motorcycles. Always been into motor racing, car trackdays etc so it wasn't long before I started doing trackdays on the bike. There is no doubt in my mind that bikes are far more challenging to ride at the top level, than a car is to drive. What vtec said about Fabian Coulthard happened at a Porsche Driver training day where he was a tutor, and sitting beside me showing me lines, braking points, etc.
Absolutely true, though the metal cage is not always comfy. Its just easier to drive at the limit than ride - after all, the worst that will happen usually is that you spin off if you exceed that limit ( so what) - on a bike you usually fall off and that can hurt if you're going at pace.
And this is true too, its just about the size of the contact patch given a similar level of suspension tuning. I lapped track 2 at Taupo easily in the 1.12s in the Porsche. Haven't done track 2 on the bike recently but the next MotoTT trackday's on track 2 so that will be interesting. I'm pretty sure Jay Lawrence was at least a couple of seconds slower than this at the PMCC meeting last year.you should line ya mate up at the track at some stage... and then let us know the result, lol.
but for the most part... a trick car (gt3,supercar's,race car's) will lap faster than a bike around most race's track's, because of the level of grip they get from having training wheel's and down force and shit like that.but hey look at the cost of these cage's and then ya see the bike's give ya the best bang for your buck
who the fuck would want a car anyway
And re the cost of these cages?? I guess the fact that I now own 2 bikes and the Porsche is gone attests to this. It was pointless keeping the car. Whenever I wanted a fang on the track, I took the bike - it was more exhilirating. Whenever I wanted to do a Coro Loop, I took the bike - nothing worse than getting stuck in traffic just when you get to the twisties - even though the Porsche will overtake better than most road cars, its nothing in comparison to what a 600cc sportsbike can do. If it rained - maybe you'd take the car - but in reality if it rained you wouldn't even go in the car anyway - once you own one you realise that you can just go another day!! On the Coro Loop ride last weekend we passed an Audi RS4 twice as it was stuck behind traffic in the twisties Haha!!!
If I had discovered bikes before buying the Porsche - I would not have bought it!! However I do not regret the experiences I've had owning it, the people I've met and the opportunities that arise because of it.
The off made me re-evaluate what's important to me. I'm still doing every trackday I can, but the racing which I deem to be more risky to my health is on hold, for now at least!
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I had a race the other day on my Zeal against a V8 Landrover
Bike was running like shit n I still beat him
Wouldave smokked him if i had the confidence and experence on the bike
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lol..... hahaha oh man LOL
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Just thought i'd pop another word in..... since i forgot to mention that "250 hornets are decent 250's aswel"..........
Bit of a yes and no there........
Yes their a good bike,
But a 250 hornet will not keep up with a zxr250 or cbr250.... fullstop.
Maybe rider ability would help it to be faster off the line, but with the same rider a cbr/zxr is faster everywhere in its speed range than a 250 hornet...
a hornet would be around a second slower over a 1/4 mile(round 15 flat)..... thats a decent gap....
Moped rider
i often wondered how the hornet would compare, but im still settled on getting one simply becuase they are one of the sportier new bikes around. zkr's cbr's etc are getting hard ti find a tidy one.
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Beg to differ, i rode a mates zxr against him on my hornet and he beat me on his zxr, i didt however start catching around 120 - 130 km. And I felt more comfortable cornering harder on the zxr. Now the hornet not the be all and end all I know this and not trying to say it is, But a bike that is that old probally does have alot more wear and tear than my new ish hornet.
And again the guy I met who has the ZXR was through another mate with a hornet and its the same story against his hornet, mines a little quicker than his as well, we put it down to differnt sprokets perhaps but both are not to sure.
It does seem slower at the moment probally due to the chain being stretched to its max and I want to do the clutch because I want more of a bite on take off
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Well i definately think you're wrong in saying that........
Yes your hornet maybe a late model,but you do realise honda hornets use a detuned cbr250 motor(why do you think the redline is lower).
A cbr or zxr 250 will beat a hornet at all speeds......
If you think a 250 hornet will keep up with a zxr250 till 120-130kmh then why not take your bike to the nightspeed dragwars at meremere which start on november 7th....
i ran a 9.2 second 1/8 mile @125kmh on a 96' zxr250c (14.37sec@143kmh through the 1/4 mile) and that was the first time i'd ever ridden a 4cyl 250..
(Would be a couple of tenths faster with more than one run on the bike)
(have a timeslip for the run ,and a video of it which i can post a link of if you want)
if you can run under 9.2 seconds through the 1/8 mile then i'll stand corrected....
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Yes i realise , I realise alot about my bike thank you. Let me ask you something quickly .. have you ridden it??
Yes id like to do night wars but not to prove my self right, maybe its the bigger carb I have ( and yes confrimed by wild west honda ) and the full stainless system with twin cans, the airfilter and the retune?
actually before ragingrob got his viffer he had a cbr we dragged at from 100 - 150 he started about 10m ahead and left earlier I caught and passed him at about 140.
ask him if you like on our ride out dargaville, how ever it was a old CBR not to sure what model exactly
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also another thing u realise hornetsdiffer throughout the years, also aparntly more touque than cbr. Don't quote me on that I can find out but cant be botherd atm.
Like i said not the be all and end all but hornets do go well, even against zxr's and cbr's .
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Dont get me wrong, im not trying to insult you or your bike, im just saying i definately disagree with your onpinion of zxr's and cbr's.
Maybe your hornet is a little bit quicker than most of the others out there, but i highly doubt you could run a faster 1/8 mile or 1/4 mile than i did on a zxr250.
How about, 'just for fun' you bring your hornet to meremere nightspeed DW on november 7th and see what it can do. And since this thread was about boyracer cars and the like you can see what a decent ish 250 4stroke can do compared to some cars too.
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Cool man, see how the bikes going when that rolls around, I want to get new sprokets , chain , plug's and forks re oiled before then oh and the brakes.
Id like to see what I can do as well. My opinion on zxr's and cbr's isnt less than my hornet I mean my bikes 10 years older and these they go hard and definatly a better racer. Ive never raced a bike on mery mery only ever taken my old car. would be cool to see how it goes for sure
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Sounds like a plan, would be real good to see,
actually in the proccess of putting my '88 gsx750es back together ready for nightspeed.Gotta do the same sorta stuff, and register it,wof......etc. bit of a dog really(cosmetically) but should go alright.
Would be good to see,always good seeing the smaller bikes run compared to mostly big bikes all the time, had a blast taking my rgv150 up there.
What kinda car have you raced up there?, just curious as am into most things motorsport realted.
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How often do they run these drags at meremere
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