Key does a runner

[ManDownUnder]

I don't necessarly dissagree. It could be argued as you have done that Key had nothing to gain by staying. But this was not a fight and that analogy has no bearing on Key running away and that's what he did. It's not the sort of thing I expect from a politician in a election campaign. It shows signs of weakness from someone who is not prepared to stand their ground.


Skyryder

Winston was just grandstanding (nooo - I hear you say - he' wouldn't do that). He set a trap that wasn't walked into and now falls back on the "he ran away - ha ha ha" line. Reminds me of that kid on the Simpsons.

It was the least worst option for Key, and a diplomatic one at that. Decision making, and diplomacy are both valuable traits in a leader - no?

[Patrick]

Key was there to shore up some support for 'his' guy.

He won't be needed. I'm sure Winnie is probably going to vote for him too.... beats just wasting a vote, I suppose.......

He didn't need to. Winnie shot himself in the foot with his own ammo...[/B]

Bottomline on this is that Winstone has not been charged with anything, the Priveleges Committee with the exception of the Maori Party voted on a party bias and I could argue that even they were hedging their bets. Anderton absteined so all in all Winstone has come out of this clean. I'm not saying that he has been entirely honest but that at the end of the day he has broken no laws at least non that we know of.

Skyryder

Clean? I don't think so. Therein lies (sp) the problem... awaiting to see his farewell for now speech on Saturday...

He will be back, just not this time....

[rodimus]

I doubt if this is anyone from from Labour as Key claims. The fallout would be catastropohic if National Id'd the taper coming from Labour. Keys response is predictable. If you don't know the source blame someone who might...........some will believe.


But I agree if this is the best...............better off having not been taped.

Skyryder

Seems you were wrong! Labour was directly involved.

It was a Labour/Greens combined effort using the flatmate of a greens member to leak the information.

[Skyryder]

Seems you were wrong! Labour was directly involved.

It was a Labour/Greens combined effort using the flatmate of a greens member to leak the information.

It's a bit academic now but if Key had said Labour members, supporters etc The Nats and their supporters may have been on more solid ground with their accusations but Key said the 'Party' and by this he implies some kind of 'sanction.'


Skyryder

[JimO]

It's a bit academic now but if Key had said Labour members, supporters etc The Nats and their supporters may have been on more solid ground with their accusations but Key said the 'Party' and by this he implies some kind of 'sanction.'


Skyryder

for fucks sake give it up

[rodimus]

It's a bit academic now but if Key had said Labour members, supporters etc The Nats and their supporters may have been on more solid ground with their accusations but Key said the 'Party' and by this he implies some kind of 'sanction.'


Skyryder

I agree with the term used "Party". Because is was members of the party that decided to persue the dirty tactics to benefit their party in return.

It astonishes me that people couldn't have thought it was any one but the highly corrupt labour party. I guess that's the general indication that alot of people in New Zealand just aren't educated when it comes to polictics.

You may find this interesting: http://www.investigatemagazine.com/tgif31oct08.pdf
Especially if you're wanting to make contradictory remarks to the educated opinion.