Fair weather rider
If you despise lack of personal responsibility why blame the cop who is doing his job and not the runner who the cop is only chasing because said runner ran. The runner is at fault not the cop, If the cops stop chasing everyone will run.Originally Posted by Gremlin
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Well, you can argue the cop wouldn't have been doing x speed, in x environment, if it wasn't for the suspect, however, the cop could have pulled out of the chase, if he deemed it dangerous (and I am not too happy about young testorone filled guys getting to make this decision) and he (or she) was the only person in charge of the cop vehicle (unless contributing factors like environment or vehicle are taken into account).
In that scenario, I would feel a little sorry for the cop, but they had to choose to continue or not. The cop is to blame for what happens to the family. It would be incredibly dangerous for the cops to feel that, "oh, if anything happens, its going to be the guy I am chasing who will be at fault".
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Yes, if policy was made that, ooh, if they do xyz, cops will stop chasing, would be bad. However, this technically exists already. I can tell you, that in the real world, not every cop is following these laws anyway.
Last line last post I made... Cops cannot think, no matter what happens, its going to be the suspect's fault. The cop has to bear responsibility for his own actions, that is, decision making and driving (ergo, personal responsibility). Yes, they have policies etc... but try finding one cop that will agree that loss of innocent life is worth getting a crim into jail for a few months. Sounds extreme... but there has to be a balance between endangering lives, and upholding the law.
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I still think it's the runner endanering those lives.
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I think most people DONT run from cops, all they have to do is flash their lights at me and I pull over, wouldnt even think about doing a runner.
So a person who is running has a reason to run, right? They could be a scared teenage boy high on Testosterone who (lets face it most teenagers cant make proper adult decisions to save themselves) decides he might try to get away, maybe even if he doesnt think hes done anything wrong. Or they could be a drunk, or high on drugs or a number of reasons. The only reason they are speeding to get away is because they are being chased by the cops. I think the police have to decide at what point for public safety that they pull out of a chase, and lets face it, the police are only human and make bad decisions just like the rest of us.
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So it's ok for them to get away with said crime? If ya can't do the time don't do the crime
To do something well is so worth while that to die trying to it better cannot be foolhardy. It would be a waste of a life to do nothing with ones ability, for I feel life is not measured in achievement, not in years alone. BRUCE MCLAREN
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Never said it was ok for them to get away with it. Just saying that Police have to make the decision to pull out of a chase, especially when the people they are chasing obviously arent thinking rationally and arent going to make the decision to stop.
Lets face it, there are ALOT of scum bags living in our communities who dont give a shit about the rest of us, I dont want me or my children to be put in a situation were a runner crashes into my vehicle because he trying to get away from the cops, for whatever reason. He could be running because he hasnt warrented his car, or because he has no license - and thats not worth losing any lives for. Yea I know they shouldnt be running because of those reason, but some people are just that plain STUPID.
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[QUOTE=Lissa;1813297]Never said it was ok for them to get away with it. Just saying that Police have to make the decision to pull out of a chase, especially when the people they are chasing obviously arent thinking rationally and arent going to make the decision to stop.
That is very true.
To do something well is so worth while that to die trying to it better cannot be foolhardy. It would be a waste of a life to do nothing with ones ability, for I feel life is not measured in achievement, not in years alone. BRUCE MCLAREN
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Soooooo, just let them all go, is that what you're saying?
Reckon a whole sector (or two) of society would be over the moon if that were to happen.
Meh, don't give the cops a reason to chase you, everyone stays happy: Runners don't die "'cause the pigs made them crash", innocent bystanders don't get caught in the middle, the police don't become statistics themselves. Again, i wouldn't be surprised if there were some out there who would be only too happy to bait the cops in order to wipe a few of them out. And yes, I am serious about that comment; it wasn't a glib retort. But what would I know, I'm just a boring old party pooper.
Yes, it's a very sad reflection on our society that the selfish, inconsiderate and abusive don't seem to give a fat rats arse about the consequences of their actions on anyone.
I agree that a lack of WoF or license is not worth losing a life over, but when people choose to break the law, and let's face it most runners are doing just that, they are the ones who still have been the cause of "the chase". I say again - don't run, therefore no chase, which ends up with a result of no possible injury or death as an end consequence. Simply really. Agree completely with Sunhuntin!
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Oh, just realised, not everyone would be happy because the driver/rider of the vehicle in question might actually be held accountable for whatever it was he/she was being stopped for in the first place..... (too bad, suck it up and grow bigger cajones to take responsibility) Wow, there's that terrible "r" word again!
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I'm sitting on the side of the fence that says the police should take r************y for their actions in a police chase.
Yes, I agree that if someone tries to escape, the officer should enter into a pursuit but there has to be a limit. If the offender starts driving in such a way where it is highly likely that they will lose control or endanger some one else (Yes it is possible to go over 50km/h and still not pose a major threat), and the officer is unable to call in back up to stop him further up the road, then the pursuit should be called off.
Personally i'm not actually all that sure what a chase is going to achieve anyway, supposedly the idea of it is to get the offender to stop. Well if he's determined enough to run away in the first place, then he's probably not jsut going to change his mind a K up the road and pull over, they're gonna keep going till they escape, or crash. The police just play a gamble with whether or not the crash that stops them will be a major one or not.
Or atleast that's how I see it, never actually othered looking into the policies behind police pursuits before.
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In the example given in the first post, the chase only went on for 2 minutes so I don't believe the Police offer should accept any responsiblity for that instance, the guy was just driving like a twat.
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I think you will find if the cops dont chase, then there be no need to run.
Classic catch 22 situation.
I hate police chases.
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Perhaps a compromise might be for the police not to chase at speed. But if someone does a runner, and gets caught by other means (helicopter, roadblock, spikes, rego plate), he goes down for a LONG time.
At present, the incremental penalty for running (as people have noted in another place) is slight. So if someone is looking at serious disqualification anyway, the extra "cost" of running is slight. If the "cost" were higher if caught, despite not being chased, the game might not seem so worth it.
Somewhat better chance of getting away with it. But MUCH worse if you don't.
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