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[Robert Taylor]

Craig, Im terribly mortified that you havent changed your forum name to Exgixxerracer.....

[gixerracer]

Damn it guys, we aren't a politically correct website and I'm glad, we all know what a Rangi job is I really don't think Wharfy's feelings are hurt (if they are HTFU), I just think that he's getting off on telling people what to do. Sorry Wharfy mate, but pull your head in. Same to you SteveyB. Surely you've got bigger fish to fry. Go start a thread trying to get people to stop using the terms "maori job" or "rangi job" if you want. But don't sidetrack this thread with your political views.

Thanks for your input Craig, you're one of the most inspirational riders I've seen mate. You are a cut above.

AH shit chur bro. Whoops Ive done it again.
Please let me explain [Chur] is kiwi slang for I think thank you, [bro] is also kiwi slang for friend,mate etc but i am not 100% so to save any confusion i suggest evryone watches Bro Town i think on tv4

[slowpoke]

As much as I'd like to see burgeoning fields of bikes and riders, all closely competing with each other I fear we will be robbing Peter to pay Paul. The riders will come from within the sport rather than without and an extra class will simply thin the ranks of other classes. I'm kinda thinkin' we need a concentration of talent rather than a diversification.

If you wanna race there are already cheap(er) options available, and if you think that stepping onto a competitive machine makes you instantly competitive then to use those immortal words; "Tell 'im he's dreamin', darl'!".

But, if somehow we can get some decent promotion and it means a good show for fans and sponsors alike then it could be a great thing.

[jrandom]

( off subject ) Do you find the word Pakeha ( and its literal translation ) offensive also?

The 'literal translation' is an urban myth. 'Pakeha' is just a word that means white boy, au. No more no less.

And Wharfy's being a very silly man.

[sidecar bob]

If by "rangi" you mean a generic word for a Maori (like "Fido" for a dog) I find that more offensive and not even remotely funny.

Bro. . .This is Kiwi Biker, You must have been trying to log on to Iwi Biker & accidentaly hit the "K" by mistake, its right next to the "I" so i can see how it must have happened.

[wharfy]

( off subject ) Do you find the word Pakeha ( and its literal translation ) offensive also? I do but dont make a song and dance about it. As of the despatch of the Labour party back to where they belong PC nonsense will be ( thankfully ) less valid.

No and neither should you, if you have a few minutes to spare read this.

http://maorinews.com/writings/papers/other/pakeha.htm

[Robert Taylor]

Bro. . .This is Kiwi Biker, You must have been trying to log on to Iwi Biker & accidentaly hit the "K" by mistake, its right next to the "I" so i can see how it must have happened.

Now thats funny! Some will say racist but Im giggling, well done!

Used to be atime when we could joke like that and not be frowned upon by the pc police. Im very happy that our new pm has included the Maori party in the Government. Pita Sharples and Tariana are very good people, they are New Zealanders.

Sorry, off subject again.

[FROSTY:Me]

It tells me that about 15 other guys spent at that time 2-3k on suspension and they didnt need it because they were slow and stock would have been ok we did do some work to ours with some different oil and a Maori ride height adjuster, my point is most them guys would have been better off spending that money doing more racing/learning but of coures I was APPARENTLY cheating that year to go that fast[ go figure a] I think had I have had the suspension my results would have been better maybe still get 2nd but i wouldnt have crashed so often and maybe taken the fight a bit closer to Ray Clee who won and deserved so as he was better organised and prepared than me, Thanks Ray I learnt alot from you that year.

So in a nutshell--time on bike rather than money on shocks or other fancy trappings
Hmm some other guy's been preaching that one for awhile--

[Robert Taylor]

The 'literal translation' is an urban myth. 'Pakeha' is just a word that means white boy, au. No more no less.

And Wharfy's being a very silly man.

Thats interesting, thanks. Why is white boy generally not regarded as offensive and racist when black boy is so often regarded so?

Interesting to note that leading Dutch suspension supplier White Power largely now prefers that its trading name is an abbreviation to WP. Probably got the KKK to thank for that, although they have moved into Formula 1, where 20 white guys are chasing one black guy around!

Anyone care to build and market ''BP'' suspension?

Hey Shaun do you still have that ''Ohsh.t'' t shirt, plagiarising the Ohlins name in the same font type?

Funny old world! Especially when we cant laugh at ourselves.

[sAsLEX]

No and neither should you, if you have a few minutes to spare read this.

http://maorinews.com/writings/papers/other/pakeha.htm

Oh so calling someone a Nigger is sweet since that words etymology shows that it is from the Latin adjective Niger meaning Black.......

[Robert Taylor]

So in a nutshell--time on bike rather than money on shocks or other fancy trappings
Hmm some other guy's been preaching that one for awhile--

Interesting though how squat control and hookup improved dramatically once the stock ''gap fillers'' were removed on Craigs CBR1000RR and replaced with high qulaity RACE SPECIFIC suspenders. I.e, remove the road bike suspension and fit PROPER race bike suspension because its being ridden on a RACETRACK.Lap times and tyre life improved.
Perhaps all world racing bodies should be informed of the error of their ways and leading suspension suppliers should be told to close their doors. Its a filthy notion to actually improve something. Sorry to be so cynical Frosty but I have seen a large number of posts that owe more to emotion than good sound technical reasoning. ( thats not decrying good and reasoned posts promoting controlled classes )
I am not against controlled classes, I am also not against classes that allow expression of set up skill. There are people that have the money to buy the good gear, let them spend it in the motorcycle industry also! Money is made to go around. If you trample on the more wealthy people by regulating their expenditure then theyll go and spend it elsewhere, and it wont trickle through. Heck look at how many people left our shores permanently over the last decade because of our stifling regulations.
My suspension company employs 4 people ( used to only be me ) Think about that. Also what I have learnt with my primary Swedish supplier has given me more knowledge that is of benefit in understanding oem suspension. Think about that also. Positives I think.
This argument is not as clear cut as many want to oversimplistically believe. Other people have also fairly alluded to the motorcycle industry not doing enough to promote itself to the general public.

[wharfy]

Oh so calling someone a Nigger is sweet since that words etymology shows that it is from the Latin adjective Niger meaning Black.......

Not really

...No matter what its origins, by the early 1800s, it was firmly established as a derogative name. In the 21st century, it remains a principal term of White racism, regardless of who is using it....

source - http://www.aaregistry.com/african_am..._brief_history

[Shaun P]

Interesting though how squat control and hookup improved dramatically once the stock ''gap fillers'' were removed on Craigs CBR1000RR and replaced with high qulaity RACE SPECIFIC suspenders. I.e, remove the road bike suspension and fit PROPER race bike suspension because its being ridden on a RACETRACK.Lap times and tyre life improved.
Perhaps all world racing bodies should be informed of the error of their ways and leading suspension suppliers should be told to close their doors. Its a filthy notion to actually improve something. Sorry to be so cynical Frosty but I have seen a large number of posts that owe more to emotion than good sound technical reasoning. ( thats not decrying good and reasoned posts promoting controlled classes )
I am not against controlled classes, I am also not against classes that allow expression of set up skill. There are people that have the money to buy the good gear, let them spend it in the motorcycle industry also! Money is made to go around. If you trample on the more wealthy people by regulating their expenditure then theyll go and spend it elsewhere, and it wont trickle through. Heck look at how many people left our shores permanently over the last decade because of our stifling regulations.
My suspension company employs 4 people ( used to only be me ) Think about that. Also what I have learnt with my primary Swedish supplier has given me more knowledge that is of benefit in understanding oem suspension. Think about that also. Positives I think.
This argument is not as clear cut as many want to oversimplistically believe. Other people have also fairly alluded to the motorcycle industry not doing enough to promote itself to the general public.

I dont think there is any argument that quality suspension components set up in the correct way is a huge improvement in many ways but I think the common theme is the affordability for the masses that want to race.

My personal opinion for a SUPERSTOCK class is rear shock change, I believe you need 2 shocks anyway keep the stocker setup for the wet and only valving and spring allowed in the front. Wet tyres are a must for racing, and so is setup.
Cant get more cost effective setup options for performance/safety than that. Anything less wont really supply the learning platform for setup.

That would give you a good dry adjustable setting and wet setting for around 2k give or take.

[scracha]

classes just because people cant be botherd cleanning there bikes and having a shave and trying to get the funds

Still ranting on about cleaning and shaving? You got some sponsorship deal with Gillette on the cards or does one of our top street racers have OCD?

[Robert Taylor]

Still ranting on about cleaning and shaving? You got some sponsorship deal with Gillette on the cards or does one of our top street racers have OCD?

While Craigs description was hardly eloquent he does have a point. Those that are the most motivated, best presented etc will help themselves a lot more in attracting help. There are no free lunches.