Terrorist (namely muslim) cowards

[Oscar]

finally a thread i can sink my fangs into!!

sorry for your loss Finn.. i am probably one of a handfull of folk on here who understand....


look... everyone is going on about Human Rights, innocent civilians blah blah blah..

Look at Daniel Pearl..the Civilian contractors in Fajulla..the dead and injured in the First WTC attack..the 3000 killed in 9/11..

who is playing by the rules here?..who is taking the moral high ground..? certainly not them..

there was a case in Iraq a few years ago where a suicide bomber, attempting to send as many Marines to Hell as he could..found a couple of Marines handing out lollies to about 20 children..

yep..he got the Marines...

Oct 23 1983..300-odd Marines, sent to Beirut to stand between Hezbollah and the Israelis..Hezbollah was on the fuzzy end of the lolly, because Israel, in its no-nonsense style of warfighting, was scorching the earth..the UN decided to send a "peacekeeping" force in to stand between then 2 ..

most of the Marines were still sleeping when the truck bomb hit...


yea.. heaps of respect for the rags..

as far as stopping them.. get rid of the lefty media and the liberal attorneys..

let those of us who trained for this do our jobs without an arm trussed up behind our backs..

Err - you seem to have missed one side of the story there, Sarge.

What also happened in Beirut at about that time that might have upset the Hezbollah? Summat about the IDF turning their backs as Christian Militia went into Palestinian Refugee Camps and slaughtered the inhabitants? They are a simple folk, so the equation goes like this - if you support my enemy (Israel), you are my enemy (USA).

I'd love to think it was as simple as killing terrorist scumbags (and hey, if some liberal media weenies need sorting, do that to). It ain't that simple, and you are smarter than that.

I need you to ask yerself why these people are doing this. When did it start - 9/11? 1948? 1919?

Why are the best recruiting weapons the Scumbags have the IDF and the USAF? Bomb some Iraqi suburbs, bulldoze some West Bank hovels, and bingo - instant suicide bombers...

[SARGE]

In the same way as you/they don't like Muslims, brown people, the poor etc etc? These people can get fucked as far as I'm concerned. I'm not here to befriend rednecks

boy are YOU in the wrong place...

[Oscar]

Al Queda isnt an organization.. loosely translated in Farsi, it means "the Base" (or Database)..

and the current war started at the fall of the Ottoman Empire (end of WW1)

It probably started when the Inquisition started driving Jews out of Europe.
If those fuckers had of left well enough alone - no pogroms - no holocaust - no Israel - no 9/11.

[aewilliam]

I wasn't taking things out of context, I asked you to elucidate on these peaceful communities. When was this peace and how long did it last?

Not very long did it last...as I said - the peace was ruined by those NOT peaceful, tolerant, loving. Those who did NOT follow the principles of the religion/teachings.

As for the Jews killing Christ - Why do you think Christians persecute Jews?
Why were Jews expelled from most of Western Europe in the Middle Ages?

HISTORY
The Americans supporting the Israelis/Jews in WW2 and currently in the Middle East is still persecution of the Jews by Christians? Quite the oppposite

Finally it seems to be taking an awful long time for Christians to learn from history. People who call themselves Christians are still doing it (albeit in a subtler and more sophisticated manner).

You said it yourself. "people who call themselves Christians". You know or can find out, they know, I know, what a true Christian is asked to believe and follow. If they DON'T they are NOT true Christians.

Not necessarily a thread for defending my faith, but i will continue, adn others may decide to as well, defend it or attack (preferably debate!) it if they choose...

Remember again, an innocent dude among many has died (RIP) at the hands of those who kill in the name of their religion but whose actions are clearly against the spirit of the teachings. Is it the religion to blame or the people who abuse it?

[Oscar]

I guess the Christians are learning? (hopefully...)

And that their fight was (relatively) left for them to duke it out with each other without outside interference...

Without outside interference?
What comic do you get your history from?
Why did several members of my family get to walk down the Falls Road with automatic weapons whilst the locals did their best to kill them?

[SARGE]

What imdying is trying to say is that these guys doesn't play by the rules. As such it is pretty silly to get upset when they choose to target civilians or perform actions that defy the Geneva convention. Also, trying to put them into your "soldier box" (ratified by 170 countries or not) is a futile effort.

yea.. thats the point i was trying to make.. they cannot be classed as "soldiers" with all the protections afforded them by the Geneva Conventions


just dirty mercenaries really, arent they?

[Oscar]

Not very long did it last...as I said - the peace was ruined by those NOT peaceful, tolerant, loving. Those who did NOT follow the principles of the religion/teachings.


HISTORY
The Americans supporting the Israelis/Jews in WW2 and currently in the Middle East is still persecution of the Jews by Christians? Quite the oppposite


You said it yourself. "people who call themselves Christians". You know or can find out, they know, I know, what a true Christian is asked to believe and follow. If they DON'T they are NOT true Christians.

Not necessarily a thread for defending my faith, but i will continue, adn others may decide to as well, defend it or attack (preferably debate!) it if they choose...

Remember again, an innocent dude among many has died (RIP) at the hands of those who kill in the name of their religion but whose actions are clearly against the spirit of the teachings. Is it the religion to blame or the people who abuse it?

I'm not defending or attacking your religion, pal.
I'm trying to find out where you get your history.

What was this about the USA defending Israel/Jews in WW2?
Hint Israel didn't exist until 1948...
What about this Christian Community that lived in peace?

[aewilliam]

Without outside interference?
What comic do you get your history from?
Why did several members of my family get to walk down the Falls Road with automatic weapons whilst the locals did their best to kill them?

"Outside interference" for me was comparing the trillions of $$$ and troops (hmmmm... and big business...) from USA/West pouring into the Middle East war, to the Catholics vs Protestants in Ireland.

Why did several members of my family get to walk down the Falls Road with automatic weapons whilst the locals did their best to kill them?

If you choose to go along with the debate of "are Christians behaving like Christ?" - So was any of the above of your statement an example of true Christian (like Jesus Christ) action?

[SARGE]

Err - you seem to have missed one side of the story there, Sarge.

What also happened in Beirut at about that time that might have upset the Hezbollah? Summat about the IDF turning their backs as Christian Militia went into Palestinian Refugee Camps and slaughtered the inhabitants? They are a simple folk, so the equation goes like this - if you support my enemy (Israel), you are my enemy (USA).
.

heres the thing though...


i was actually there whe n it happened.. i was with BLT 1/8 24th MAU in the building that went down...


we were NOT there in support of one side over another..we were a UN force, officially classed as non-combatants (our ROE were very strict, which is why we were not on Condition 1 [locked and loaded])

we actually stopped an Israeli tank column from entering Hezbollah territory..pointed weapons at the commander and all..

ask me anything about the incident.... i'll share what i can

[Oscar]

yea.. thats the point i was trying to make.. they cannot be classed as "soldiers" with all the protections afforded them by the Geneva Conventions


just dirty mercenaries really, arent they?

If their not soldiers, they have civil rights.
Stuff like habeas corpus - you know one of those basic freedoms we have enjoyed in the west for 10 centuries - but not in the USA, 'cause Bush suspended it in the name of his fight for freedom...

[aewilliam]

What was this about the USA defending Israel/Jews in WW2?
Hint Israel didn't exist until 1948...

Oscar...
OUT OF CONTEXT (i think i may have mentioned "Out of Context" before?)
Context was the WHOLE sentence, being:
"The Americans supporting the Israelis/Jews in WW2 and currently in the Middle East is still persecution of the Jews by Christians?"

[Jantar]

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just dirty mercenaries really, arent they?

I wouldn't even give them the honour of being called mercenaries. At least Soldiers of Fortune generally follow the rules of being in uniform, carrying weapons openly, etc.

These religious fanatics target the innocent, use concealed weapons or IEDs, and disguise themselves as peacefull citizens. They are terrorists. IMO no other term can apply.

[Mikkel]

just dirty mercenaries really, arent they?

I wouldn't know what label to put on them. Fortunately we're being given a rather liberal label we can apply to everything that seems a bit irregular. So terrorist it is for now - I doubt any of them get paid too.

[Oscar]

"Outside interference" for me was comparing the trillions of $$$ and troops (hmmmm... and big business...) from USA/West pouring into the Middle East war, to the Catholics vs Protestants in Ireland.



(like Jesus Christ) action?

There was outside interference - millions coming in from the USA to support the IRA, most of which ironically was used to buy weapons from Gaddafi.

You make a bloody sectarian uprising sound like a pub fight.

[Oscar]

These religious fanatics target the innocent, use concealed weapons or IEDs, and disguise themselves as peacefull citizens. They are terrorists. IMO no other term can apply.

This describes the IRA.
Who funded them, again?