"Driver didn't see bike" x2

[NordieBoy]

I've noticed less drivers pulling out on me just with the extra little spottie above the headlight.

Just makes the shape different and catches the eye.

[Swoop]

I am not talking about camouflage patters.. I am talking about being as bright & bold as possible.

You have possibly missed my point. By wearing coloured gear* and then putting a high-vis vest over the top, you are effectively breaking up your outline and "creating camouflage".



* Most gear in the shops is not a plain colour (excluding basic black).
There will be a predominant colour and then additional colours in different locations as the style and designers see appropriate. ("Fashion Vs function" battle?)

[MyGSXF:Me]

You have possibly missed my point. By wearing coloured gear* and then putting a high-vis vest over the top, you are effectively breaking up your outline and "creating camouflage".

& you are taking it too "precisely" m'dear. They are all examples of ways to make yourself more visible. If ya wanna wear coloured gear.. do so, coz that would work well to break the camouflage. If ya wanna wear black leather, do so with a high vis vest over top, which would work well to break the camouflage. If ya wanna wear black leathers & a bright pink helmet, do so, which would work well to break the camouflage.

All.. examples of making yourself more visible & thus helping to break the motion camouflage effect.

It is up to the individual to choose what they want to do.

[madbikeboy]

Okay, what is it with women drivers?

I had one pull out on me yesterday, then a minute later I jumped past her and her flash SUV (visibility behind them sucks) - so she decides to tailgate me. I stopped at the lights and had a gentle word with her, she got very rude and aggressive (not a long term plan on her part). Her argument, bikes are dangerous and we shouldn't be on the road.

I wonder if she's still looking for her keys?

[MarkH]

I am pretty sure driving lights on a bike are MUCH more effective than a bright headlight. The driving lights should be as far apart as is practical given the narrow profile of a bike. The problem with a really bright headlight is that it makes it hard for others to see the bike and the smaller the size of what they do see is, the harder to tell the distance and speed of it. A headlight + 2 driving lights make a triangle that will stand out more and be easier to judge distance and speed. When you are on a bike you need the car drivers to realise that you are there and are moving, otherwise they will misjudge the situation and pull out in front of you.

[slimjim]

yup...got small driving lamps fitted on xjr...they run yellow bulbs...even with these,side lights, and head light hard wired.....i get a few car drivers rebake after a second glazce to their right....(oops just noticed oncoming set of lights)...... just gota enjoy staying aware...

[Swoop]

Still a few contrails coming off of the message...

If ya wanna wear coloured gear.. do so, coz that would work well to break the camouflage.

Ummm. No.

If ya wanna wear black leather, do so with a high vis vest over top, which would work well to break the camouflage.

Possibly, but since an outline has been broken up... Ummm. No.

If ya wanna wear black leathers & a bright pink helmet, do so, which would work well to break the camouflage.

This would be the better option, in fact. A solid shape of a body with a bright helmet colour on top. The ride forever site recommends a white or a yellow helmet as being the most visable.

[Tank]

problem solved

[MyGSXF:Me]

This would be the better option, in fact. A solid shape of a body with a bright helmet colour on top. The ride forever site recommends a white or a yellow helmet as being the most visable.

Yes, that's a great site! I point my mentees & my freinds in the direction of it!

As is www.roadsafe.co.nz.. who are the internationally, highly trained instructors who ran the several advanced courses I have attended (& helped at) over the past 3ish years!

& yes, white or yellow is the most recommended... I was being sarcastic about the pink ! (to state the obvious)

[MarkH]

& yes, white or yellow is the most recommended...

I wear black leathers & a white helmet - I specifically chose the white for the helmet for this reason. Unlike a fluoro vest which would be another thing to wear, putting on a helmet is something that I would do no matter the colour, I figure it is a pretty easy thing to do for safety sake - choose white when buying a helmet!

[Swoop]

problem solved

Did anyone else have a Chopper Guard flag???

I was being sarcastic about the pink ! (to state the obvious)

I think it would look fabulous darling!*said in finest camp voice, with enhanced lisp...*

[CookMySock]

my high beam likely looks switched off comapared to DBs, but it has saved me many times.
the route i regularly take has two primary schools literally 400m apart. the traffic during school hours is nuts beyond belief. ive taken to riding that gauntlet on full beam, due to the number of mummies double parked, parked on yellows, and pulling out without looking or indication. since ive started doing that... not a single near miss has happened. i do the same when travelling another very busy road. i have had some near misses, but i put that down to my light being blocked by other traffic, which is why my line is always changing, depending on what im following.

got a photo of what they look like on dip DB?

Yay! A glimmer of common-thinking! 8-(

Naw I don't have photos, but that is something I should arrange. Last week I was riding along this 2km straight (broad daylight), and I see a bright headlight-flash from seemingly out of nowhere from the far end of the straight. I squint into the distance at the end of the straight (2km away) and I cannot detect a car there. Down to 1km and there he is - and I immeditely get flashed again "dip please" - oops, dip I go! The point being, I could not even SEE a car there, but they could see me very clearly indeed - so clearly in fact, that I get a dip request from 2km away.

I forgot how resoundly rediculed and name-called I would get for my non-conventional opinion. Once again, KB shows just how incapable its' members are of having a tolerant, rational, balanced discussion, without resorting to projections and abuse. It's not my heart attack.

I stand by my opinion. "Get a brighter headlight and use it like a weapon." It might save your life.

Steve

[Tank]

Yay! A glimmer of common-thinking! 8-(

Naw I don't have photos, but that is something I should arrange. Last week I was riding along this 2km straight (broad daylight), and I see a bright headlight-flash from seemingly out of nowhere from the far end of the straight. I squint into the distance at the end of the straight (2km away) and I cannot detect a car there. Down to 1km and there he is - and I immeditely get flashed again "dip please" - oops, dip I go! The point being, I could not even SEE a car there, but they could see me very clearly indeed - so clearly in fact, that I get a dip request from 2km away.

I forgot how resoundly rediculed and name-called I would get for my non-conventional opinion. Once again, KB shows just how incapable its' members are of having a tolerant, rational, balanced discussion, without resorting to projections and abuse. It's not my heart attack.

I stand by my opinion. "Get a brighter headlight and use it like a weapon." It might save your life.

Steve

Its been asked many times - but you never answer

You have stated you leave it on high beam even when behind other bikers - how do you get a dip request from the guy in front of you going in the same direction?

[PirateJafa]

Its been asked many times - but you never answer

You have stated you leave it on high beam even when behind other bikers - how do you get a dip request from the guy in front of you going in the same direction?

Probably when they kick him over at the next set of lights. I know I would.

Hell, I tend to turn my lights off completely when riding with others.

[Tank]

Whatever mate. Bikers insulting and trolling other bikers in threads like this do no person any good, so put a finger in it.

Quite frankly, if you were following behind my bright lights - there would be no safer place for you.

Steve

Safe behind a Ho-Bag? What about all the bits that fall off when you go over bumps ??