Maori gang occupies sailing club

[MSTRS:Me]

How did this rant about patches take over a thread?

Tis the KB way. But you are right. Sort of.
The Levin Sailing Club has had their patch invaded by a load of thugs who have a portable patch.
These arseholes may go on about Maori land rights, permissions, etc....but do they actually speak for the local tribal 'authority'? I'm picking that they don't. The Tukupua's were a fairly vocal family on things Maori in Levin (at one time, at least) but are they speaking for or against this 'occupation? Either way, it is setting a dangerous precedence.

[Brett]

One gang brainwashing people with lies and bullshit is pretty much the same as another.

Nah, that is Bullshit. The 'patching' has bugger all to do with it, it is the attitude of those wearing the patches that makes the 'gang'. Would we all be whining if a group of 'patched'; biker mates was out in the public doing goodwill?

[The Lone Rider]

These arseholes may go on about Maori land rights, permissions, etc....but do they actually speak for the local tribal 'authority'? I'm picking that they don't. The Tukupua's were a fairly vocal family on things Maori in Levin (at one time, at least) but are they speaking for or against this 'occupation? Either way, it is setting a dangerous precedence.

A bit like Black Power putting in that waitangi treaty claim eh? lol

[Katman]

Oh.. so you mean like the blue knights -
Who are a police officer club
Or do you mean like the comrades?
Who are a military veteran support club?
Or do you mean these hard ass outlaw bikers?
I could go on mate.. bike clubs and back patches are dime a dozen in my home country. No reason it shouldn't be otherwise here if people stopped with their negative perceptions.

The thing is though, those sort of patches are a sad attempt to appear to be a badass biker gang. Why bother?




(I suppose we all have our own little fantasies we like to live out. Me? I like to think I can change the world).

[MSTRS:Me]

A bit like Black Power putting in that waitangi treaty claim eh? lol

Yep, they'll try it on anywhere they can. That claim got tossed, AFAIK.

[Headbanger]

Wrong. I do it all the time. No problems. From anyone. Full stop.

You mean in Christchurch?

That's not indicative of the rest of the country, I suggest you don't apply what you "know" or don't understand to the rest of the country.

You wear a patch around here and unless you have a recognised name then you will be dead or near dead as soon as you get noticed. Having a recognised name might give ya a bit of breathing space while they decide how to proceed.

Its not about negative perception, Its about the rules of the game,and the penalties are harsh.

When I refer to patch I'm talking about the full set, But just a bottom rocker is enough to get shit started.

[nodrog:Me]

...But just a bottom rocker is enough to get shit started.

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[The Lone Rider]

You mean in Christchurch?

That's not indicative of the rest of the country, I suggest you don't apply what you "know" or don't understand to the rest of the country.

What kind of sad ass biker rides around their own city and only their own? Sorry bud, been around a lot more then Christchurch.

You just ride around Wangi do you?

Plenty of people recognize us. And they come over for a chat and say hi.

I WILL agree that if there is any contention, it is over people wearing a lower rocker patch with a region on it. Originally for telling people where you are from, some have chosen it to mean where they own. Some clubs have taken to putting FREEDOM on the bottom rocker if their club is not wide spread, or where the club patch on front is, a small lower rocker with the region can be put on.

It's not rules. It's people like you who enforce the idea it's a bad thing to do.

The thing is though, those sort of patches are a sad attempt to appear to be a badass biker gang. Why bother? (I suppose we all have our own little fantasies we like to live out).

Then you have little to NO understanding where bike club patches come from, and where they started to pick up and become common. I think veterans returning home to find nothing but each other, and so used to wearing insignia for their squads, divisions, etc.. have every right to wear colorful insignia and find a common ground - and that they love motorcycles is all the better.

Some people need to spend more time overseas.

[wbks]

I'm still not getting the point of patches in NZ...

[Headbanger]

What kind of sad ass biker rides around their own city and only their own? Sorry bud, been around a lot more then Christchurch.

You just ride around Wangi do you?

Plenty of people recognize us. And they come over for a chat and say hi.

I WILL agree that if there is any contention, it is over people wearing a lower rocker patch with a region on it. Originally for telling people where you are from, some have chosen it to mean where they own. Some clubs have taken to putting FREEDOM on the bottom rocker if their club is not wide spread, or where the club patch on front is, a small lower rocker with the region can be put on.

It's not rules. It's people like you who enforce the idea it's a bad thing to do.



Then you have little to NO understanding where bike club patches come from, and where they started to pick up and become common. I think veterans returning home to find nothing but each other, and so used to wearing insignia for their squads, divisions, etc.. have every right to wear colorful insignia and find a common ground - and that they love motorcycles is all the better.

Some people need to spend more time overseas.

I don't care where patches come from, or how its done overseas, I'm talking to the gang culture within NZ. Ignorant violent scum who will take you out at the mere sight of an unknown patch.

But hey, If your cool with it, Then fine, Its no skin off my nose.

Whats your patch consist of anyway? a fist?

[The Lone Rider]

I'm still not getting the point of patches in NZ...

I believe gangs and clubs alike copied American biker culture in the yester-years.

Having not lived in NZ in the 40s,50s, and 60s.. I can only go by research and docos

I've found them useful, ie.. there are so many PDFMC members around the country and I often see them - if they have a Canterbury patch also I usually go and say hi as we vaguely will know each other or have the same friends.

Whats your patch consist of anyway? a fist?

Sure does. Hey amazing - I haven't gotten beaten up! Even a few of us standing next to Henchmen and HA's about a two weeks ago and they just kept to themselves. And once went into a pub filled with Epitahs, with a bunch of my club mates. They said hello, and that was about it. Didn't give an ass otherwise.

I'm sure there are exceptions, but haven't experienced anything yet and until it seems to be a pronounced problem in my life I shall continue to wear club emblems of whatever type I like on my person where ever I have a space to put one.

And keep in mind ALL the members of my club bare minimum wear the same logo on their shoulder or front top of vest. So far all I've had is Woodybee go "Hey! I know of you guys!" when she saw it, and people in pubs come up and talk to me/us as they heard of us (and one dude hugged me).

Already been covered though - if there ends up being a problem the logo easy easily modified to be a bit more clear as to what it means, and adding a bike throttle to it's grasp is no big ordeal.

[wbks]

Not that I'm any wealth of knowledge on the subject...But after meeting a few Hells Angels and HeadHunters members, they are not anywhere near as ferril as gangs like blackpower or the mongrel mob so you might get a different reaction from them.

[The Lone Rider]

Not that I'm any wealth of knowledge on the subject...But after meeting a few Hells Angels and HeadHunters members, they are not anywhere near as ferril as gangs like blackpower or the mongrel mob so you might get a different reaction from them.

Well you got to remember Hells Angels is a motorcycle club. Yes - they have a huge reputation as criminals and being organized amongst their ranks to deal illegally weapons and such. But there ARE people members of it who are not out there busting heads.

Jesse James of Monster Garage is a member. Several famous actors are.

Likewise, Russel Crowe is a member of a back patch wearing club.

I'd name some every day joe's who are also members and not busting heads, but they are every day joes and nobody knows them lol


I guess it all comes down to who you surround yourself with, and what social standard you set amongst your friends/club. For CKMC, anyone wearing Nazi anything is asked not to come on anymore rides again, general rules about respectful to other bikers, riding safe, and membership is voted on so if you are in fact a wanker you will be told to piss off and not come back.

[wbks]

My point was that whatever 'gangs' like the hells angles once had the rep for, they are more of a club now, where as gangs like black power or mongrel mob are about as close to a real gang as you get. So saying that a hells angles member didn't give a shit about your patch doesn't really mean a lot. Try these ones however...A southern skinhead gang, some ferril mongrel mob folks

[The Lone Rider]

My point was that whatever 'gangs' like the hells angles once had the rep for, they are more of a club now, where as gangs like black power or mongrel mob are about as close to a real gang as you get. So saying that a hells angles member didn't give a shit about your patch doesn't really mean a lot. Try these ones however...A southern skinhead gang, some ferril mongrel mob folks

I've always considered HA's to be a club, and thats it. A club full of criminals maybe.. but the basis is a club. Kinda silly buggers semantics I guess.

Some would argue the hard ass and violent men of the 50s, 60s, and 70s are all aged and have families and that would cause such a wane.

But I know for a fact there is still a lot of violence at times amongst clubs. Few months ago I believe the Blue Angels (another law enforcement club) killed a HA in a fight.

So I as I said, I guess it comes down who you surround yourself with, how you set yourself up.

I work with a guy who is a MM member (drug dealer for them), he is a right prick and pretty much the only person I don't get along with at work.

Yeah Skinheads give me the willys. Ashburton bike show - amazing amount of skin heads. Skinheads are there for solely the purpose of hate.

Anyway - apologies.. BOT...

I thought boat club houses were private property so how can they just stay there and not get kicked out?