Does justice work?

[SARGE]

Why the fuck would a trained soldier among the best in the world at what he does want to hang around in a shitty prison all day for shit pay doing what a trained monkey could do?

only the truly sadistic need apply.. the trained monkeys they
have in the prisons now are just warehousers.. hire some evil bastards and let them get proactive

dont get your panties in a bunch man.. just a thought

[wbks]

Lol sorry if I sounded shitty, I really wasn't.

[mstriumph]

There are? Where?

... irony fella - my implication being that you must be .... Harden up dude, I was just having a bit of fun

Harden up dude, I was just having a bit of fun.

Your question is pretty stoopid though if you think about it for 5 seconds.

.. mildly interesting response -
please explain why in your estimation my question is stoopid?

[rainman]

please explain why in your estimation my question is stoopid?

More interesting would be why you think parole board members (or anyone else for that matter) are totally selfless people that value everyone equally.

They're just doing a job, in most cases I'd bet they're trying to do it to the best of their abilities and using all of their wisdom and judgement. You're making the basic error of designing a system that only works when everything is perfect. (A all too common idea that is on my long list of reasons for not wanting idealistic rightwingers in power). All you'd do is punish the wrong people, and change the incentives so that no-one would get paroled. (You're converting "More'n my job's worth" to "More'n my life's worth"... a rather juvenile and extreme escalation of the tweak that is probably called for in the circumstances. (This is assuming of course that the decisions for release taken by parole boards today are systematically and consistently sub-optimal, which I don't know, and suspect you don't either).

Or, in other words, I think you're just an idealistic blowhard who likes to hear himself talking tough. (Admittedly, you'll likely find an appreciative crowd over here).

And for those of you who are rooting for privatised prisons, please explain, without recourse to ideology, what the incentive is for a private enterprise to run a bare bones prison? (Note, I would be happy to see the comfort of prisons reduced, no playstations and other entertainment bullshit, up to the point where there is a likely health impact.)

[Ixion]

I strongly suspect that a privately run prison would be the reverse of 'bare bones'. Those running the prison do so to make a profit. The cost of
luxuries' is easily offset by the fact that a contented inmate population is easier to manage needs fewer guards. Moreover, one of the KPIs for the prison company is bound to be the number of break outs, escapes, riots etc. Keeping those to a minimum is financial sense. The biggest problem is likely to be getting the prisoners out at the end of their sentences.

[Swoop]

IF you, as the member of a parole board, feel that you couldn't release a particular prisoner because they would probably re-offend and endanger YOUR precious hide .... HOW DARE YOU think it's ok to release them back into the community because it's only SOMEONE ELSE that they'll probably hurt?

Good point. Perhaps a pre-requisite to being released on parole, a prisoner should be made to live with a member of the parole board for a week. They would get a real experience of how well behaved and reformed the prisoner really is.

Why the fuck would a trained soldier among the best in the world at what he does want to hang around in a shitty prison all day for shit pay doing what a trained monkey could do?

Practice... If ya know what I mean...

[RantyDave]

I strongly suspect that a privately run prison would be the reverse of 'bare bones' ... The cost of luxuries' is easily offset by the fact that a contented inmate population is easier to manage needs fewer guards.

I hate to mention it, but he has got a point. Park them all up with TV dinners and rugby on the telly. It's not exactly the idea, but I bet it's cheaper.

Dave

[Paul in NZ]

Gah! Parole boards? Private jails? WTF?? Jeeze only on KB...

Look - this pricks a shit head - his lifes ambition is is to BE NZ's top shit head. The is no doubt about his guilt or if he was free tomorrow he would be looking for his next score. Why fuck about with redemption - face up to it the world will be a better place without this arse wipe....

Yeah - I have 3 daughters but thats not coming into it - time for us to man up and realise that some people are so damaged, that they have crossed the line so much that there is no coming back....

I dunno - its not a happy prospect - state sanctioned murder BUT this arsehole is the poster child for the campaign to reintroduce capital punishment....

[Headbanger]

Wait, I thought Jails were for rehabilitation?

Lets help the guy, he obviously has issues, No doubt installed during his upbringing. He is a victim as much as anyone else, and society is to blame.


Nah, Sounds like bullshit to me, lets paint him pink, release him into a national park and put a 50 grand pricetag on his head.

[wbks]

I like your posts

[Her_C4]

But then the rehabilitated would have no chance as no one would release them at their own risk.

'Re' habilitated? Oh you mean the .0005% that were habilitated in the first place?!

I would glady support harsher sentencing.....Hell I would even go as far as supporting the death Penalty.........IF I had absolute faith that the justice system was robust enough to find the genuine guilty, guilty and the Innocent, Innocent.......this is where my dilema lays

Justice system? Robust? Yeah I see your problem

What he said.

The 'justice' system is always going to make cockups, and the point that the death penalty is irreversible is impossible to avoid.

Locking them up and not letting them out achieves the same goal, but you can always say sorry and let them out later if it turns out they never dunnit in the first place.

Privatising prisons will be a good start to making the process more efficient. Tight fixed budgets, get some clever people on the job of making a profit off those budgets while still keeping the bad guys locked up.

Betcha the Christmas dinners and Sky TV would disappear fairly quickly.

And, while we're at it, why the fuck aren't NZ prison guards armed? Jesus H. Christ.

ha ha ha - when you get off the mark (rarely I admit) it surprises even me! We already have had privatised prisons here - how did they do?

I strongly suspect that a privately run prison would be the reverse of 'bare bones'. Those running the prison do so to make a profit. The cost of
luxuries' is easily offset by the fact that a contented inmate population is easier to manage needs fewer guards. Moreover, one of the KPIs for the prison company is bound to be the number of break outs, escapes, riots etc. Keeping those to a minimum is financial sense. The biggest problem is likely to be getting the prisoners out at the end of their sentences.

There we go -

No doubt installed during his upbringing. He is a victim as much as anyone else, and society is to blame.


Nah, Sounds like bullshit to me, lets paint him pink, release him into a national park and put a 50 grand pricetag on his head.

Pause for thought - just a small pause. Lets imagine (and I have been on KB for enough years now to know that you alllllllll have an imagination to one extent or another...).

How horrified we all are - outraged in fact, that a bunch of absolute waste of space shit heads caused the death of such a sweet wee girl such as Nia. Her treatment (shared by more children in this wonderful country of ours than you can ever imagine) nothing less than frighteningly horrific.

Swung from clothes lines, tumbled in the drier, used as a landing pad, punching bag etc etc.

What if ....... here is where I need you to use your imagination... what if - she didn't die that ghastly death. WHAT IF she survived??

WAIT!!! Don't hasten to answer yet....

The compassion and horror that you felt when you read about her life and how she died - hold on to that ... think about how she might have survived and what her life would be like?

Think about the survival skills that she might have adopted and her rather warped view on life... a female version of the subject of this thread?

Re habilitation? Give me a break - half of our inmate population have NEVER had the chance to be habilitated.

Hold on that compassion for Nia and the thought of how her upbringing would have been for her had she survived - the violence, the pain, the hatred, her shame.

Would that change the train of your thoughts at all?

Perhaps there is another answer /option yet - childhood intervention?

[jrandom]

ha ha ha - when you get off the mark (rarely I admit) it surprises even me! We already have had privatised prisons here - how did they do?

Too right. I was just, y'know, chucking the thought out there.

How did they do?

Yada yada, the poor disadvantaged brown people, Nia would have just grown up to be a misfit herself and then breed more of 'em.

Do you think that's not one of the first things that went through everybody's head when they heard about that case?

As you so rightly point out, 'rehabilitation' is basically impossible for many of them, because they've been programmed from childhood for dysfunctionality.

'Pick out the bad uns and remove them from society' is the only option that has a faint chance of achieving anything.

childhood intervention?

Good idea. Difficult to implement?

[Grahameeboy]

Lets not forget the guy was caught, convicted and will spend a min. of 26 years in Jail...justice as much as it can be has been served...hanging does not change the fact that an innocent person was robbed of their chance at life.

Sometimes we think about the offender more than the victim.

[short-circuit]

i wouldnt ARM the guards with firearms..but i would get some retired SAS guys in there that wouldnt need guns...too easy to snatch a gun off a guard and use it against him..

Why don't you stop trying to act like a hard arse all time time you sad, old, yankydoodle has been? Stay on topic - nothing to do with guns and soldiers...

Stick to ranting the chorus with the rest of the simplistic vengeful rednecks.

[Grahameeboy]

Why don't you stop trying to act like a hard arse all time time you sad old has been? Stay on topic - nothing to do with guns and soldiers...

stick to ranting the chorus with the rest of the simplistic vengeful rednecks.

Now I understand your site name........