90-day stand down

[Winston001]

unfortunately their efforts have a tendency to end up like 'animal farm' where all are equal, but some are more equal than others

seriously - i'm not sure ANYTHING we've tried so far has any hope of working - in fact i'm not sure that there's not something in the human psyche that actually wants or NEEDS to subordinate itself to a system - irrespective of how detrimental that system may be to the individual concerned ..... *sigh*

You are on the right track - and there are sound reasons for joining a system = greater security in the group than the individual can provide for him/herself. A group allows complementary skills to be shared.


See http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2...6-12326787_ITM

"The propensity to organize appears to be an innate human behavior. Without the skill to organize into productive units, our species would not have survived changes in the environment. Additionally, without the support of the family, the tribe, or community, one would have found it difficult to compete for food, to barter, or to trade. Isolation tends to be a death sentence as it attracts predators (human or animal), and more often than not leads to extinction."

[mstriumph]

You are on the right track - and there are sound reasons for joining a system = greater security in the group than the individual can provide for him/herself. A group allows complementary skills to be shared.


See http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2...6-12326787_ITM

"The propensity to organize appears to be an innate human behavior. Without the skill to organize into productive units, our species would not have survived changes in the environment. Additionally, without the support of the family, the tribe, or community, one would have found it difficult to compete for food, to barter, or to trade. Isolation tends to be a death sentence as it attracts predators (human or animal), and more often than not leads to extinction."

i wasn't exactly thinking of family units .... extended family units .... tribes .. things you more or less get pitched into without much choice in the matter ...

i was pondering more on - erm - religious cults ....the jim jones thing, for instance ..... or even mainstream religions where membership seems to be detrimental to some of the individuals willingly subordinating themselves to it ..... i can't rationalise good, observant catholic women denied birth control and having baby after baby after baby after ........... [no disrespect to observant catholics intended]

[Clockwork]

Nope, it's a mechanism for employers to be able to employ hard working individuals and grow the economy without worrying about the risk of taking on a lazy fucktard. In my little town I can rattle off a dozen employers who have been too scared to take on any new starts before this law.

So now the lazy fu**tard just has to keep his head down for 3 months and then its "game on" again.

[Winston001]

i was pondering more on - erm - religious cults ....the jim jones thing, for instance ..... or even mainstream religions where membership seems to be detrimental to some of the individuals willingly subordinating themselves to it ..... i can't rationalise good, observant catholic women denied birth control and having baby after baby after baby after ........... [no disrespect to observant catholics intended]

Or observant Hindus, Muslims, etc etc.

Forget religion, the poorer the community, the larger the families. That is because in poverty, your best chance of survival is a large family who can all work for the good of each other. It sounds kind of counter-intuitive - having more children when you can't feed the ones you already have, but that is what happens.

Group oppression of members can only occur when people allow it. To do so they need to believe that giving up some rights, subordinating themselves etc, is balanced by other compensating benefits.

For example, as a society we grant special powers to police officers, military personnel, doctors, etc. In doing so we gain the rule of law and a secure community.

Belonging to any group involves compromise - and in your anti-contraception example, if the compromise is too great, then people opt out. Not many modern Catholics in Western countries observe this doctrine, but otherwise respect the church.

[scracha]

So now the lazy fu**tard just has to keep his head down for 3 months and then its "game on" again.

A lot of the lazy tards can't manage to drag their asses out of bed on time during their first 2 weeks at a new job so 3 months should weed out most of them

[SPman]

Until the financial crisis hit, workers in US motor vehicle factories were earning $70 per hour. No wonder they failed.

That wage figure - widely used by opponents of the auto industry bailout - is not in fact the wage paid to current workers. It is an approximation of the costs of salaries and benefits for current and retired workers. After wage concessions in recent contracts, the UAW says its workers at GM, Ford and Chrysler plants range from $33 an hour for skilled trades to $14 an hour for new hires.

How much do the people in the Toyota factories get paid?

"Precise wages and extrapolated benefits costs for U.S. workers at non unionized foreign companies, such as Honda and Toyota, are difficult to ascertain, but estimated salaries for current workers are approximately the same"

[chrisso]

Howdy all!
Ive been semi seriously thinking of returning to NZ after nearly 18 yrs here; Ive just been laid off here after 18 mths at 1 job. The economy here seems to be slowly falling apart ---ppl losing jobs everywhere; Is it any better there??.Whats the unemployment rate??. Im in Warehousing--are these type of jobs usually short term contract, casual or full time?? What sort of hourly rate is the go? Cheers.

[Skyryder]

Howdy all!
Ive been semi seriously thinking of returning to NZ after nearly 18 yrs here; Ive just been laid off here after 18 mths at 1 job. The economy here seems to be slowly falling apart ---ppl losing jobs everywhere; Is it any better there??.Whats the unemployment rate??. Im in Warehousing--are these type of jobs usually short term contract, casual or full time?? What sort of hourly rate is the go? Cheers.

At the risk of sounding flippant you should give Key a bell and let him know that his policy of the 90 day stand down is working. They trotted the excuse that this would encourage expats to return to NZ. Might cost ya bit of media spin but shit who knows ya might just score a job out of it.


Skyryder

[mstriumph]

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For example, as a society we grant special powers to police officers, military personnel, doctors, etc. In doing so we gain the rule of law and a secure community.

..............

ah
if ONLY that were so ..........

it seems to me, my friend, that YOU are the idealist here, not me ...
you still believe
i don't

[Winston001]

ah
if ONLY that were so ..........

it seems to me, my friend, that YOU are the idealist here, not me ...
you still believe
i don't

Nothing wrong with idealism, that is how new concepts are introduced. Sometimes they even work. The opposite - cynicism, is the rust of our society. It leads to bitterness, mistrust and unkindness.

I've had the good fortune to visit some third world countries - which are great places to go - but NZ is a peaceful law-abiding paradise compared with Mexico, India, Egypt, and most of Africa.

[mstriumph]

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I've had the good fortune to visit some third world countries - which are great places to go - but NZ is a peaceful law-abiding paradise compared with Mexico, India, Egypt, and most of Africa.

add parts of the US to that .....