Rob Gilchrist of Christchurch - you are scum

[James Deuce]

Radical criminals?......animal rights campaigners will in centuries to come be viewed with the same reverence as those that rejected slavery and gave the vote to women.

Meat is murder, and totally unnecessary in the modern world. There is no need to murder sentient beings for us to survive, the fact we do speaks volumes about our collective greed, stupidity and arrogance. As the human race evolves this is one aspect of our behaviour that WILL change.

Bollocks. We're omnivores. Look it up. There isn't, despite superstitious ranting saying otherwise, a vegetable product that can produce suitable types of protein that help maintain a healthy nutritional balance for human physiology. We do eat far too much red meat, and my own intake has dropped significantly, maybe once per forthnight, but most of the high protein bearing legumes are dangerously high in phyto-estrogen.

Our biggest problem is our calorie intake, and our apparent (including mine) inability to stay away from processed fat, salt, and sugar. But ditching meat altogether? It's going to take significant changes to physiology to pull that one off.

The only way to maintain a healthy vegan or vegetarian diet is to supplement heavily. Primates skim the top of the food chain, and that very position (the food chain isn't a hierarchy, it's a process) requires concentrated nutrients that don't occur in sufficient quantity at the bottom layers of the food chain. If you are a supplementing vege, don't think too hard about where the trace elements in your supplements come from.

[scumdog]

Blah-blah-blah...(with respect)

Is all this stuff really necessay for a "free democracy" to exist ?

Yes, as long as there are criminals and nut-cases we will need that knd of stuff, if everybody lived as they 'should' we wouldn't need anything like it at all.

But then your version of living as you should might differ from mine, hell I bet even kiddie-fiddlers thinks they are living a normal and proper life.

[scumdog]

Meat is murder, and totally unnecessary in the modern world. There is no need to murder sentient beings for us to survive, the fact we do speaks volumes about our collective greed, stupidity and arrogance. As the human race evolves this is one aspect of our behaviour that WILL change.

Oh bollocks, stop trolling!!

I've quite happily 'murdered' a few of those sentient beings to put in my deepfreeze, that's the reason they're on this world dontcha know?

[Skyryder]

Just getting back on track has any one considered the folly of this?

If Gilchrist had been targeting some ‘real’ terrorist threats non of this would have come out. He’d have been found with his dick cut off and his throat cut and that the best case scenario.

The fact that he could get away with this for eight years and not get caught in no way demonstrates his skill as an covert agent it just means that these so called ‘danger to society types do not have the means or skills to operate a counter intelligence capability. They might just now give this some thought.

That the SIG were too fucking dumb to have any backup in case of technical difficulties defies belief. This is a anti terrorist squad that is in place for our protection against serious terrorist threats.

The simple fact that this tightwad of simpleton was on the pay roll suggest to me that there is someone in SIG who needs hanging up by the balls for employing this fuckwit.

God only know what other dumb arses are out there ‘spooking’ on our behalf

And Collins sees no need for an enquiry. SACK HER KEY AND SHOW SOME REAL LEADERSHIP AND THE COP WHO EMPLOYED THIS FUCKER WITH HER.


Skyryder

[scumdog]

Just getting back on track has any one considered the folly of this?

If Gilchrist had been targeting some ‘real’ terrorist threats non of this would have come out. He’d have been found with his dick cut off and his throat cut and that the best case scenario.

The fact that he could get away with this for eight years and not get caught in no way demonstrates his skill as an covert agent it just means that these so called ‘danger to society types do not have the means or skills to operate a counter intelligence capability. They might just now give this some thought.

That the SIG were too fucking dumb to have any backup in case of technical difficulties defies belief. This is a anti terrorist squad that is in place for our protection against serious terrorist threats.

The simple fact that this tightwad of simpleton was on the pay roll suggest to me that there is someone in SIG who needs hanging up by the balls for employing this fuckwit.

God only know what other dumb arses are out there ‘spooking’ on our behalf

And Collins sees no need for an enquiry. SACK HER KEY AND SHOW SOME REAL LEADERSHIP AND THE COP WHO EMPLOYED THIS FUCKER WITH HER.


Skyryder

Is that a deliberate slip or did you actuall mean 'HERR KEY'? - and HERR CLARKE would have been the one behind this originally methinks....

[Skyryder]

Is that a deliberate slip or did you actuall mean 'HERR KEY'? - and HERR CLARKE would have been the one behind this originally methinks....

Yep Labour would have set it up.
I'd posted the same sentiments whoever. But she's been dumped so now it's Key.

Skyryder

[SixPackBack]

Either you're a fucking moron or you're taking the piss.

See the teeth you've got, they're not for eating bloody grass are they...

dang hard to argue witchya forrest

Bollocks. We're omnivores. Look it up. There isn't, despite superstitious ranting saying otherwise, a vegetable product that can produce suitable types of protein that help maintain a healthy nutritional balance for human physiology. We do eat far too much red meat, and my own intake has dropped significantly, maybe once per forthnight, but most of the high protein bearing legumes are dangerously high in phyto-estrogen.

Our biggest problem is our calorie intake, and our apparent (including mine) inability to stay away from processed fat, salt, and sugar. But ditching meat altogether? It's going to take significant changes to physiology to pull that one off.

The only way to maintain a healthy vegan or vegetarian diet is to supplement heavily. Primates skim the top of the food chain, and that very position (the food chain isn't a hierarchy, it's a process) requires concentrated nutrients that don't occur in sufficient quantity at the bottom layers of the food chain. If you are a supplementing vege, don't think too hard about where the trace elements in your supplements come from.

Bullshit. Millions of vegans would prove you wrong.

Oh bollocks, stop trolling!!

I've quite happily 'murdered' a few of those sentient beings to put in my deepfreeze, that's the reason they're on this world dontcha know?

Your just sulking 'cos I sucked you in with my 'psychotic copper thread'.......as for the deep freeze, well what can I say? you southern boys aint the most lateral thinkers.

If there was a way of teleporting two centuries into the future you fuckers would be eating my shorts.............the signs are all around, a creeping disgust at fox hunts an the like are but the beginning.

[Street Gerbil]

What's there to spy for? The whole bunch just needs to be chucked into the mental clinic for their own good. Those loonies are anything but harmless.

[scumdog]

.........the signs are all around, a creeping disgust at fox hunts an the like are but the beginning. [/FONT]

Yeah, we done killed all the foxes down here - they were killing too many of our chooks and rabbits and we were running out of things to kill.

Ain't never seen no signs around though

And foxes tasted like crap BTW, no wonder people wanted to get rid of them....now them rabbits and deer and goats sure as hell were yummy though....

[Ixion]

The plot thickens. It now comes out that Mr Gilchrist and the cops were not just spying on the loonie lefties. They were also spying on the Trade Unions.

Anyone still want to argue that the police are not politicised ?

This has the potential to get *real* nasty. If the police have been digging up dirt on the private lives of trade union members on no basis other than that they are trade union members, they are not merely in breach of NZ law, but of international conventions to which NZ subscribes as well. no different to communist china , in fact.

I am just waiting for Mr Hitcher to point out that all trade union members by definition, are notorious criminals.

[trustme]

Either the SIS or the police have kept a watch over the more extreme elements of the trade union movement since they were formed especially during the cold war era when the russians tried to gain influence with the communist radicals within some of those organisations. None of this is new , grow up & move on

[Ixion]

I *am* the communist radical. Or I was, anyway. And I have no doubt that the cops are reporting what they find to the Business Round Table. I can recall a time when the revelation that Mr Gilchrist was spying on certain trade unions would mean a swiftly dead Mr Gilchrist.

The trade union movement is run by wimps nowadays, but i hope that this revelation will inspire some bottle in them .

And, an interesting admission, from someone obviously closely connected with the police force .

[candor]

I lived with a woman who was a child in Nazi Germany. Her prevailing memory of childhood apart from poverty and foraging for food off bushes was the quietness. People could not talk much even to family lest someone was spying for the Nazis - she was not even Jewish, but the Govt then was into everyones business.

She became a foremost world Jungian and myth expert (PhD) - interested in how people project their shadow selves and internal demons.

"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;
And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;
And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;
And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."
- Niemoller

Part of the problem is that the politically co-opted coppers aren't just surveilling nuts down here. And who is to say what constitutes a nut - a paranoid PM, or cronies thereof, perhaps in fear of losing total control of small pond?

I know of harmless, indeed helpful, non nuts in the road safety lobby world who've sure as hell been spied on the last 2 years. Known incidents covering 3 reputable organisations ranging from driving/riding training orgs to anti impaired driving groups to driver fatigue campaign groups include;
1) vehicle stolen with valued hard won Official Info Act papers within, then car found minus bulk papers that would show Govt up.... traced by ex cop to a subcontracted job ordered from on high.
2) phone taps in which people heard whoever was listening talking about whether the spies had intercepted the said orgs call yet - very poor spying technique
3) people attempting to join road safety groups with no credible reason given as to why and initially making a flurry of ph calls to said road safety groups asking pre-election questions of workers such as - do you know Key or anyone who knows him, do you know John Minto... followed by a long list of other activists totally alien to the road safety world. Huh

When our 3 orgs compared notes to find a common experience of either lunatics monitoring us for no comprehensible reason... or Govt sticking nose in being the only other option... we concluded it unlikely (given all our lacks of links with non road safety activism or crime or Mr Rambuka)... that the Govt, if any intelligence lurked there, could see any of our orgs as security risks IRA style even at a stretch unless advisors were on P....

....so this was the conclusion ever so tentatively drawn; that insecure unpopular pollies were simply misusing taxpayer funds, or alternately hiring private spy squads ie privately retained, to monitor all those who could just possibly oneday close to elections - say mean media targeted words about the encumbent dynasty.

Spying on genuine road safety charities and the like is real uncool, if anyone reading here is guilty of ordering that SHAME ON YOU. Do your jobs, and you won't need to be paranoid re the civic minded activities or plans of those serfs organised in unions, political groups, churches or educational spheres.
A snaffled media and pervasive spying signals pseudodemocratic times.

Now we know what was meant by a knowledge economy by 2010
Interesing that all this over spying comes out at the same time a German landmine is found on the West Coast! Interesting too that our female leaders have not seen fit to equip NZ troops in Afghanistan with armoured vehicles like the Yanks get. Or so a soldiers wife told me last week. Lets hope for more concern about real threats to Kiwi life, and less about snooping to ad management of popularity polls.

[scumdog]

Meeeh, you are all a bunch of paranoid twats, I have never been directed to spy on trade unions and stuff like that.

[MisterD]

The plot thickens. It now comes out that Mr Gilchrist and the cops were not just spying on the loonie lefties. They were also spying on the Trade Unions.

There's a difference?