Racing safety issues

[eelracing]

Or just be a crasher because of lack of experience and an over active ego, your choice dude

Can't agree with you on this one Shaun as it was my first road race since last years cemetery circuit.Had no plans to do it this year until got offered a bike so leapt at the chance.Bloody glad i did coz i had a ball.

The scariest moments i had were due probably to the amount of fuckn' oil around the place.
In my opinion if the organisers want to make street racing safer then all riders who crash during practice or races (street racing only)the bikes should immediately be taken off track and not allowed back on until after practice or the race is over.ie trailered back to the pits if leaking any fluids once checked over by a marshal.

[Shaun]

Can't agree with you on this one Shaun as it was my first road race since last years cemetery circuit.Had no plans to do it this year until got offered a bike so leapt at the chance.Bloody glad i did coz i had a ball.

The scariest moments i had were due probably to the amount of fuckn' oil around the place.
In my opinion if the organisers want to make street racing safer then all riders who crash during practice or races (street racing only)the bikes should immediately be taken off track and not allowed back on until after practice or the race is over.ie trailered back to the pits if leaking any fluids once checked over by a marshal.

Fare enough mate, just asking the question

[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

wat about the zx12r in F1. immaculate looking road bike (with taped lights). purple jump suit. blocking the track at Robert Holden. an accident waiting to happen. end of race 2, who's on the back of the trailer? 2 guess's! Although pleasantly surprised he lasted till race 2 before he relized he was in over his head and scuttled his perfect ROAD bike.

street racing aint a place for whim of fancy "have a go ya mug!"

If road licences were checked, half the motard field would of been ineligable to compete, given that most have been riding mx since year dot (and for other classes as well, not just picking on motards). Yes, interesting liability situation for oraganiser in case of death. Who's fault. Rider or organiser for allowing an unlicensed rider on (closed) public road?

Hard one though, aint it? we want the racing but as less red tape as poss.

I guess the answer is the advice often given by Vic club before the races "Dont crash, it'll phuck it up for the rest of us".

[Crasherfromwayback]

wat about the zx12r in F1. immaculate looking road bike (with taped lights). purple jump suit. blocking the track at Robert Holden. an accident waiting to happen.street racing aint a place for whim of fancy "have a go ya mug!"


Hard one though, aint it? we want the racing but as less red tape as poss.

I guess the answer is the advice often given by Vic club before the races "Dont crash, it'll phuck it up for the rest of us".

Tough one mate for sure. With regards to the punter on the ZX12...I was there at age 19 at Gracefeild on a GPZ1100. Was I out of my depth? For sure!

Did I get in anyones way? For sure. Glenn Williams and Bob Toomey went either side of me out of one corner...with one of them (can't remember which one) practically having to mount the curb to get round me. They were good enough racers to do it...and they obviously made allowences for me. That's how it goes.

As regards to how many races you've done in the year leading up to Wangas...once again I'm not sure. I've raced on and off there for years on a variety of bikes, simply because I love the place. I nearly lost my foot there in '05' due to trying to avoid another racer that I think made a bad judgement call. Should he have been there? For sure in my eyes. Racing can be and is often dangerous. WE don't have to be there if we think it's not worth the risk.

Should I have been there even though I'd not done a lot of meetings that year? Sure!

We can do our best to minimize the risks...but no matter how hard we try...there will always be risks. THAT'S racing. Nobody makes us do it.

[Marknz]

Simple mate, I do not have the cash flow to doevery single race these days as I am an old smashed up has been that cannot find the cash suppoet required to race full on, and since I have not been working really for the last 18 months due to off, I have no spare cash to fill my boots with, as well as

I stopped doing any training about 4 months ago, as my head was not 100% perfect as yet, so I am very unfit and very weak still, I normally weigh 63 KG, but are still only 55 at the moment, and as I am so unfit, I decided it was safer for me and the other riders to only do what I need to do for theTT

Well I really hope someone comes to the fore soon with some sponsorship dollars for you (although in these hard-times, that would seem like a trial). Either that or you can pick up a decent paying job to get the mullah flowing.

And the call you made on the fitness front is a good one. Yes you might have looked good out there and done well in race 1, but only you would know how you were feeling physically on the bike and the risks you were taking.

Good luck for the year ahead.

[Quasievil]

If road licences were checked, half the motard field would of been ineligable to compete, given that most have been riding mx since year dot

I dont follow, are you saying Motard riders are young or are you saying they dont race much ?

[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

Tough one mate for sure. With regards to the punter on the ZX12...I was there at age 19 at Gracefeild on a GPZ1100. Was I out of my depth? For sure!

Did I get in anyones way? For sure. Glenn Williams and Bob Toomey went either side of me out of one corner...with one of them (can't remember which one) practically having to mount the curb to get round me. They were good enough racers to do it...and they obviously made allowences for me. That's how it goes.

As regards to how many races you've done in the year leading up to Wangas...once again I'm not sure. I've raced on and off there for years on a variety of bikes, simply because I love the place. I nearly lost my foot there in '05' due to trying to avoid another racer that I think made a bad judgement call. Should he have been there? For sure in my eyes. Racing can be and is often dangerous. WE don't have to be there if we think it's not worth the risk.

Should I have been there even though I'd not done a lot of meetings that year? Sure!

We can do our best to minimize the risks...but no matter how hard we try...there will always be risks. THAT'S racing. Nobody makes us do it.

fair enough Pete. theres alot at stake though, as you have experienced. Both risk to body and bike, and to the track. with such a small window of time to have the road closed, crashes do mess up timing, especially when oil gets on the tarmac, as what happened in practice. but I fully respect your opinion and your experiences, just in this instance I saw it coming and I find it difficult to think that no-one else did (with all respect to the rider and not to pick on him, just a convenient example).

but at the end of the day, we wanted to see bikes race going really fast, and that we did see! a great day!

[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

I dont follow, are you saying Motard riders are young or are you saying they dont race much ?

nah, saying that they wouldnt have a road licence in most instances (as with many other riders in other classes)

[Billy]

nah, saying that they wouldnt have a road licence in most instances (as with many other riders in other classes)

Sorry Mate,Your wrong there.You dont need a civil licence at Wanganui as its road closure is under the local council act 1972,You only need a civil licence when the road is closed under the land transport act 1998 which is required where 1 or more of the roads is under the control of Transit NZ ie where there is a state highway as part of the circuit(start/finish straight at Paeroa)

[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

Sorry Mate,Your wrong there.You dont need a civil licence at Wanganui as its road closure is under the local council act 1972,You only need a civil licence when the road is closed under the land transport act 1998 which is required where 1 or more of the roads is under the control of Transit NZ ie where there is a state highway as part of the circuit(start/finish straight at Paeroa)

thanks mate, you know your regs.! you have my support for rider's rep! haha. was just going by what soemone else mentioned, and added my own ramblings on the matter.

So you need a road licence at Paeroa given that the straightaway is a state highway?

[crazefox]

Jesus Shaun, the rule says you have to have street race experience, or three races under your belt in the year leading up to the event.

Where does it end??? Take a break from racing and never be allowed back.

Fuck the bubble wrap, and HARDEN THE FUCK UP!!!

GOOD CALL BRO

[Kickaha]

The Isle on man TT races, demand that 6 races are done in a 12 month period before there entries are accepted, do we have any such safety rules in NZ that I am not aware of?

Whie I think it is a good idea in theory, in practice there are people who can take a break for years come back and be just as good as they ever where, there are others who could race every week for the year leading up to it and I'd still be reluctant to share the track with them

[wbks]

Simple mate, I do not have the cash flow to doevery single race these days as I am an old smashed up has been that cannot find the cash suppoet required to race full on, and since I have not been working really for the last 18 months due to off, I have no spare cash to fill my boots with, as well as

I stopped doing any training about 4 months ago, as my head was not 100% perfect as yet, so I am very unfit and very weak still, I normally weigh 63 KG, but are still only 55 at the moment, and as I am so unfit, I decided it was safer for me and the other riders to only do what I need to do for theTT

So what does training for big racing like that involve? I always thought seeing as road racing is not hugely demanding like conventional sports, you would just try to be as light as possible with reasonable upper body strength and aerobic fitness?

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

My understanding for road racing is three races in that year. No road licence because road closure rules apply and what the fook is a road bike doing with lights taped up!! I bet he had green slippery coolent in the rad and un-lockwired essentials. Sounds like some tightening up is required.

Shaun, are you still off to Ireland this winter, ny sponsers yet?

[Quasievil]

looking at the Paeroa entry forms it requires civil licence number as the event is run on a state highway rules 5-8-6 and 5-8-7 apply, so there ya go, must be needed