When bikers kill bikers.

**Katman** · 2nd January 2009, 18:08

KiwiBiker is full of motorcyclists who believe that their greatest enemy on the road is car drivers.

When will we start to realise that it is ourselves that have the greatest potential to be our own worst enemy?

**TOTO** · 2nd January 2009, 18:11

WE know that already.

welcome aboard the "know-how" boat katman.

**Big Dave** · 2nd January 2009, 18:12

When bikers ignore bikers:

**Ixion** · 2nd January 2009, 18:13

Told you so. Unless there are corpses to point to, nobody is interested.

**Grahameeboy** · 2nd January 2009, 18:15

Originally Posted by TOTO

WE know that already.

welcome aboard the "know-how" boat katman.

Well it does not show on this site most of the time...

**Katman** · 2nd January 2009, 18:19

It's bad enough when a motorcyclist's disregard for their own safety takes their own life but when that same disregard claims the lives of innocent others the actions are considerably more contemptible.

**dipshit** · 2nd January 2009, 18:23

Originally Posted by TOTO

WE know that already.

Then how come most people around here think car drivers cause the majority of motorcycle accidents..???

**Grahameeboy** · 2nd January 2009, 18:24

Originally Posted by dipshit

Then how come most people around here think car drivers cause the majority of motorcycle accidents..???

Yeah...............................

**Big Dave** · 2nd January 2009, 18:28

Originally Posted by TLDV8

What about Mk1 Cortina's...

Nah - no Mk1 cortinas. My friend Richard had a Consul though.

My mum had a 250 XL that I got my licence in. That hammered.

**Grahameeboy** · 2nd January 2009, 18:28

Originally Posted by Big Dave

I can't get over the way the put their face real close to the birds when they are handling them.

I know...I found that if you don't do that with birds you generally don't make out...

**Hitcher** · 2nd January 2009, 18:38

Originally Posted by Katman

It's bad enough when a motorcyclist's disregard for their own safety takes their own life but when that same disregard claims the lives of innocent others the actions are considerably more contemptible.

Whilst I cannot disagree, in such circumstances the person who would generally be the one to benefit the most from such learning is also one who is dead. In which case there is little value to be had from poring over scant and often misreported details of the accident in question. Speculation and ghoulishness are not good teachers, in my opinion.

But denial is, regrettably, alive and well in the motorcycling community. Apart from oneself and intersections, probably the next most dangerous thing to me as a motorcyclist is other motorcyclists. This is why I am extremely discerning about the nature of "group" rides in which I choose to participate.

The two extremes of this I have encountered are the Wellington Wednesday Night "Cruisy" Ride, and the annual Rusty Nuts Grand Challenge. No prizes for guessing which of these has the better safety record and is typified by a field of riders who are extremely respectful of other riders.

**Usarka** · 2nd January 2009, 18:41

There are two people on this site who are feverently anti "using the road as a racetrack".

Whilst I agree with them, I'd bet 80 cents each way that they were both "a bit of a hoon" in their day, before they got old or before they witnessed something that changed them forever.

The question is, would they have listened to the preaching before the epiphany or maturity that occured?

Enough seriousness, off to add some grass to the opiates, alcohol and amphetamines.

**Katman** · 2nd January 2009, 18:41

Originally Posted by Hitcher

in such circumstances the person who would generally be the one to benefit the most from such learning is also one who is dead.

No, I think there's an equally valuable lesson there for all of us.

**riffer** · 2nd January 2009, 18:42

Whilst it is sad that it appears that a motorcyclist may have caused the death of another motorcyclists, let's not go jumping to any conclusions about it being a trend.

I'm only aware of it happening twice in recent times.

Compare that with motorcycle v car statistics.

**Katman** · 2nd January 2009, 18:44

Originally Posted by Usarka

There are two people on this site who are feverently anti "using the road as a racetrack".

Whilst I agree with them, I'd bet 80 cents each way that they were both "a bit of a hoon" in their day, before they got old or before they witnessed something that changed them forever.

The question is, would they have listened to the preaching before the epiphany or maturity that occured?

Enough seriousness, off to add some grass to the opiates, alcohol and amphetamines.

I was once part of the decay.

I now prefer to be part of the cure.