When bikers kill bikers.

[Katman]

I never dwell on what never happened.

But if we don't dwell on what could have happened we will learn nothing and nothing will change.

[Usarka]

If we don't dwell on what could have happened we will learn nothing and nothing will change.

If colombus had dwelled on what could have happened he wouldn't have found america.

[madbikeboy]

This thread had a counter thread that was amusing. Seriously, fuck the censorship.

If we're going to remain on topic - there is a significant attitude problem between a lot of the people who post on this site - an example would be any member of the Moron Few. Now, I've posted on this subject a few times.

Accidents and motorcycles, there seems to be a linkage. There also seems to be a linkage between some riders having their head up their ass and the inevitable fall into the abyss.

If you want to clean this problem up - stop fucking around posting shit on websites, instead get a lobby group up and running that actually seeks funding for education, mandatory skills based testing and licensing that's actually meaningful, better policing with sensible application - and improve the biker PR. I'm sick and tired of seeing BS in the media about joe blogs killing himself on a xxx bike. Instead, lets get images in the media about the toy runs, the westpac ride etc.

We need to increase our professionalism, we need to get out shit together and self regulate before we get government intervention (which is frankly, inevitable).

Quit whining and do something meaningful. I have met KatMan, I really respect him and his message - but one guy is not going to change attitudes. In 1973, the road toll was at peak, the government intervened. All other groups are trending down for injury and death stats, except motorcycling which has leaped up. Do the math.

And, stop the censorship, it's fucking irritating.

[The Stranger:Me]

just got an infraction for off topic due to a comment about smoking. Woohooo my very first

My original but subtle point was 10's of thousands of people die per annum from smoking and/or pollution related illness.

How many people die on the road each year?

Surely the mod was smoking something at the time.
I would have thought a blind man could see the paralells between the dangers of smoking and riding like a dick - and the futility of trying to control either.

[jrandom]

There also seems to be a linkage between some riders having their head up their ass and the inevitable fall into the abyss.

I dunno. To my eye, KB's history of fatal crashes has been about half-and-half crazy head-up-arse riders and sensible sorts that you'd never expect it to happen to.

We'd all like to think that it's the Carvers who fuck themselves up, but sometimes it's the Hitchers. Y'know?

And, stop the censorship, it's fucking irritating.

KB Is Not A Democracy (tm).

[Big Dave]

I ride with courtesy, common sense and I don't blame anyone for the fact that motorcycling is dangerous - or what might become of me.

What frankly annoys me is being tarred with these two's brushes.

[Katman]

But car drivers seem to be just as stupid and no-one's talking about getting rid of them in a hurry

Do you understand the concept of 'minority'?

[madbikeboy]

I dunno. To my eye, KB's history of fatal crashes has been about half-and-half crazy head-up-arse riders and sensible sorts that you'd never expect it to happen to.

We'd all like to think that it's the Carvers who fuck themselves up, but sometimes it's the Hitchers. Y'know?



KB Is Not A Democracy (tm).

Yeah, true as well, my generalisation is exactly that.

We can hope they're not the latter type...


As for KB not being a democracy - true enough, and that kind of fucks me off.

[riffer]

Do you understand the concept of 'minority'?

Sure I do. I wonder if the authorities would understand the concept of the potential mass disobedience that could result from banning motorcycles?

[Katman]

Sure I do. I wonder if the authorities would understand the concept of the potential mass disobedience that could result from banning motorcycles?

What, like the Cheesecutter campaign?

[The Stranger:Me]

If we're going to remain on topic - there is a significant attitude problem between a lot of the people who post on this site - an example would be any member of the Moron Few. Now, I've posted on this subject a few times.

Where do you see the problem with the morons attitude?
Who says your attitude is the "right" one?

[Madness]

[Hitcher]

Do you understand the concept of 'minority'?

I'm not sure what your point is.

Discussion of accidents on this site is OK as long as it is respectful of those who may have died and those who loved them.

But nearly all "discussion" of accidents quickly descends to speculation, sweeping value judgments, trite cliches, abusive comments, etc, etc.

Policy wonks and regulators will make recommendations and laws based on their interpretation of what they see going on around them in an effort to deal with issues of community concern and public safety. Their deliberations are usually informed by "official" statistics and other forms of public record.

"I like not these statistics. Bring me some new ones! Preferably ones that I agree with," is not a response on which to try and unravel the Bayeux Tapestry of motorcycle accidents.

The camera never lies, nor do Kiwi Bikers. Yeah right.

[The Stranger:Me]

Do you understand the concept of 'minority'?

They're the ones the govt always listens to and passes stupid laws for aren't they?

[Katman]

How often do videos get posted of KBers riding in a manner that shows total disregard for anyone else on the road, and in a way that would have them catching the bus if the police actually did something about it, followed by choruses of "Awesome video man"?