Mistaken identity?

[BigGuy]

You must be using the DC20 then? The DC30 are illegal too (which is what he will have). They both use the same band/s so it doesn't matter.
Pity Garmin hasn't given the method to modify them to work in NZ I have a use for this kind of device.
Apparently they will if a order of over 10,000 is made!

I might have something similar in the pipeline though. It's too early to state what but I'll be sure to let you know if we manage to get it sorted.

[nico]

you a hunter 2?? yeah dc20 had to modify all the aerels stand ones were crap m8 using the dc30 with bilt in aerials

[BigGuy]

No - not a hunter. Just have a use/interest for this type of device elsewhere

[davereid]

No - not a hunter. Just have a use/interest for this type of device elsewhere

Can't get my wife to wear the collar outside the house. I have to track her car...

[nico]

Can't get my wife to wear the collar outside the house. I have to track her car...

hahahahahaha gold sneek it in her hand bag

[Tony]

I requested various bits of info from the police, one of which was the NZ operating manual and policy which makes very interesting reading, to much to go into detail here, but the operating manual and training is strictly against cars (states aerodynamic sport cars give eronous readings, as do halogen headlights, thats why the manual states 'it must be pointed between the headlights, on the number plate'), but of real interest is that there is no mention of operating procedures against motorcycles, not one single item.
Will let you all know how it goes when it come to court.

You should have also requested a copy of the manufaucturers manual like I did. they initially said there was no such thing. But I bought two of them for $45 off the Internet direct from the manufacturer. I foudn the manuals usage guidelines in direct conflict with the nZ police manual. Result eh police dropped the charges and cancelled the court dates and paid court cost incurred todate.

BTW I still have two copies of the Kustom Singnal INc manual for the Pro Laser II. I any one would like to buy a copy off me for $30 (my cost) plus postage I would be happy to sell one.

[Tony]

Don't shoot me down here as I'm no expert but my thinking is it wouldn't really matter where it hit on the target vehicle (bike or car) as long as it bounced back to register a return signal.
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As a laser worsk on doppler effect if laser receives signals back directly from bike plus extra reflected signals time shifte d by longer path the laser can read high.

[Jantar]

Radar works on Doppler effect, not Laser. Doppler effect is a wavelength, and hence frequency, change resulting from the difference in speed between the emitter and receiver. In the case of radar the bounced signal is effectively an emitter.

Laser works on the time difference between receiving successive pulses, it doesn't read the frequency shift. This is why laser can also calculate distance, but is prone to more errors than radar.

[Tony]

Radar works on Doppler effect, not Laser.

Whoops thanks for picking up on typo (Should have typed 'radar' not 'laser')

[zzzbang]

edit: repeat info, doh

[stevedg]

quick update: I wrote a letter to the Police Infringement Bureau in early January disputing the alleged infringement and requesting information pertaining to the case so I could defend myself. Last week I received a computer generated reminder notice which had more details of the procedures around infringement notices and interestingly enough had a different address to send correspondence to. There was no acknowledgment of my letter. Thus I copied my original letter, wrote a new one paragraph cover letter and sent this off to the new 'informant' address at the New Zealand Police.
Guess I'll have to wait a bit longer to see how the process developes...

[stevedg]

okay, this is the latest....I've received from the police a copy of the officer's infringement notice, copies of all infringements issued by the officer on 26 Dec 08, cert of accuracy of the radar, maintenance record of the radar, operators manual and training module for the radar (all provided free of charge). As it will be difficult for them to give me a list of all the infringements issued by that radar unit for that week they will charge me approx $152 to get those records (time take to research the info I believe).
I am still waiting on the Issuing Officers cert of training, log book for the radar, cert of accuracy for the speedometer and other notes that may have been made at that time.

My closing date for the court request will be end of next week so I don't have a lot of time now.

I have been given some conflicting info about the process going to court - one person said there will be only one court appearance and I have been told by someone else that there will be 2 court dates (one for pleading not-guilty then a defended hearing). That means traveling from New Plymouth to Wanganui at least twice, 2 days off work. I have also been told by a court clerk that she has seen more allegations added to the infringement in some cases which scares me somewhat.

At least I now know that the officer was traveling at 90km/hr towards me when he alledged that I was doing 130km/hr. I have been back to the area to take video to try and work out how he might have thought I was doing 130as this still baffles me, still think he mistook my bike for one infront. I'll try and add a link to youtube and would appreciate your comments.

I have also been told by 2 lawyers (on phone) not to bother contesting and just to pay the fine - they reckon that a defended hearing is rarely successful and if I wanted them to represent me it will cost $2-5000.

What to do? I was not speeding ...

[stevedg]

Police car perspective traveling from Waverly to Patea SH3, 90km/hr

Link to google maps



What amazes me is that the officer only had a few seconds where the straght comes into view in order to viusally see a 'speeding' bike some distance away, get a radar speed and constant tone readout on the doppler (which needs the antenna to be pointing at the bike around the corner or the bike has to be within 12 degrees of the front of the police car if a fixed antenna), and to slow from 90km/hr (ground speed on the ticket) to safely stop in the layby and turn around to make chase. I don't think this is possible which is why I suspect he 'clocked' the bike in front which would have passed him around the corner somewhere and as I pulled over assumed that I was the infringing bike.
Be interested in your thoughts when you view the video....

[stevedg]

google street map

[peasea]

okay, this is the latest....I've received from the police a copy of the officer's infringement notice, copies of all infringements issued by the officer on 26 Dec 08, cert of accuracy of the radar, maintenance record of the radar, operators manual and training module for the radar (all provided free of charge). As it will be difficult for them to give me a list of all the infringements issued by that radar unit for that week they will charge me approx $152 to get those records (time take to research the info I believe).
I am still waiting on the Issuing Officers cert of training, log book for the radar, cert of accuracy for the speedometer and other notes that may have been made at that time.

My closing date for the court request will be end of next week so I don't have a lot of time now.

I have been given some conflicting info about the process going to court - one person said there will be only one court appearance and I have been told by someone else that there will be 2 court dates (one for pleading not-guilty then a defended hearing). That means traveling from New Plymouth to Wanganui at least twice, 2 days off work. I have also been told by a court clerk that she has seen more allegations added to the infringement in some cases which scares me somewhat.

At least I now know that the officer was traveling at 90km/hr towards me when he alledged that I was doing 130km/hr. I have been back to the area to take video to try and work out how he might have thought I was doing 130as this still baffles me, still think he mistook my bike for one infront. I'll try and add a link to youtube and would appreciate your comments.

I have also been told by 2 lawyers (on phone) not to bother contesting and just to pay the fine - they reckon that a defended hearing is rarely successful and if I wanted them to represent me it will cost $2-5000.

What to do? I was not speeding ...

You plead not guilty, they send you a notice of a preliminary hearing. You MUST write to the court (not the cop shop) and tell them you want a defended hearing. Then, at the preliminary hearing (which you DO NOT have to attend, provided you have informed the court IN WRITING that you want a defended hearing) the court will set a date for a defended hearing.

If you're broke then you can apply for legal aid but you have a motorcycle so I doubt they will deem you as being broke. Never have your bike in your own name, or any other bloody thing for that matter, if you want legal aid. (That's a hint.)

If you can't get legal aid and can't afford a lawyer, something the cops are never short of and they use your money to finance (sometimes) bullshit charges), then have your say in court yourself. Don't miss the opportunity to get the cop in the box though. You need to discredit him/her as much as possible. There are many coppers on kb who post comments about cops being human; so if that's the case then they are prone to making mistakes. We all do. Perhaps one was made in this instance but I doubt the cop in question will give a shit, he only wants the conviction and your money. It makes no odds to them if you plead not guilty, they get paid to go to court, get a free lawyer and it's "fuck you".

Fight it, make them work for it.