Gaza

[Maki]

This has to be the oddest war Ive ever experienced. Its even got to the point my gf flat out refuses to discuss it with me. Ive never seen so many people support the bad guys before.

I dont understand how anyone can condone Hamas's actions. I fail to see how theyre really any different from any of the other islamic terrorist groups that have plagued the world for the last while, the only difference is theyre the elected representatives of a country rather than just operating from it...which makes it even worse.

If the people like Maki got their way and Israel was pushed into the sea would you still support their actions? because they wouldnt stop there.

How about wanting to behead Madonna, is that reasonable?

Obviously your gf refuses to discuss it with you because you make silly assumptions.

1. To me the bad guys are an occupational force that kills 70 for every one of theirs that is killed and has far superior weapons and influence on the media.

2. Israel is a country of terrorists, built by terrorists. Anyone who knows anything of the history of the place, past and present knows this. Calling one side in this conflict terrorists and the other something else is insane.

3. And regarding your assumption about me wanting Israel pushed into the sea, well I will not dignify that with an answer because all it is is proof that you have been brainwashed by one sided rhetoric.

To begin to understand how you and the like have been brainwashed, read post number 151 with some simple rules.

[enigma51]

Interesting post, Sarge... You got to wonder though, why were they handing out candies? Hundreds of thousands have died in Iraq due to lack of food and medicines. Why did the soldiers not hand out those necessities?

I got to tell you that if my family dies of hunger and lack of medical care due to an occupational force in my country, then I will do whatever it takes to retaliate.


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Life is tough, especially when you are stupid.

Its easy to be on this side of the fence and point....... very easy. I promise that they way you think you will react is not the way you will when some else is intent on killing you. Handing out necessities aint going to be your first priority. Self preservation is going to be the only thing you care about.

[Maki]

Its easy to be on this side of the fence and point....... very easy. I promise that they way you think you will react is not the way you will when some else is intent on killing you. Handing out necessities aint going to be your first priority. Self preservation is going to be the only thing you care about.

Think before you post.

They were IN ACTUAL FACT handing out candies. If they could had out one thing they could hand out another if they so wished. They did not wish it and there are hundreds of thousands dead to attest to that fact.

[enigma51]

Think before you post.

They were IN ACTUAL FACT handing out candies. If they could had out one thing they could hand out another if they so wished. They did not wish it and there are hundreds of thousands dead to attest to that fact.

Have you ever been in that situation?

Again ........ it easy to stand on this side of the fence and point.

Are you going to give the guy that wants to kill your family and friends medicine or food? Are you going to give his family medicine or food knowing that there is very good chance that they feel just as much hate for you?

[Oscar]

Have you ever been in that situation?

Again ........ it easy to stand on this side of the fence and point.

Are you going to give the guy that wants to kill your family and friends medicine or food? Are you going to give his family medicine or food knowing that there is very good chance that they feel just as much hate for you?

Why do they hate you?
Is it anything to do with being landless, jobless and poor?
Fourth generation refugee camp kids who are forced into a physical and economic ghetto surrounded by a wall and the IDF?

[Jantar]

Obviously your gf refuses to discuss it with you because you make silly assumptions.

1. To me the bad guys are an occupational force that kills 70 for every one of theirs that is killed and has far superior weapons and influence on the media.

2. Israel is a country of terrorists, built by terrorists. Anyone who knows anything of the history of the place, past and present knows this. Calling one side in this conflict terrorists and the other something else is insane.

3. And regarding your assumption about me wanting Israel pushed into the sea, well I will not dignify that with an answer because all it is is proof that you have been brainwashed by one sided rhetoric.

To begin to understand how you and the like have been brainwashed, read post number 151 with some simple rules.

Point 1. As Israel is NOT an occupational force, but the legitimate government, by your own definition, they are not the bad guys. Remember Gaza is not a country. Gaza is a terroritory of Israel, and has been this time round since 1967. It has also been Jewish many times in the past.

Point 2. Israeli soldiers wear their insignia and are identifiable as military. They follow military procedures, and attack military targets. Thus they are NOT terrorists under any definition. The only terrorists in this conflict are the ones who dress as civilians, hide among civilians knowing that by doing so civilians will be killed, and target civilians rather than military.

Point 3. By wanting Israel to just sit back and accept that Hamas can kill Israelis without hitting back, you are supporting a regime that has openly stated it will not rest until all jews are dead.

[MisterD]

NOTE the twelve golden and infallible truths that the media are obligated to adopt:

I don't see the bit where the media in general and Reuters in particular should unquestioningly use faked photographs...

[enigma51]

Why do they hate you?
Is it anything to do with being landless, jobless and poor?
Fourth generation refugee camp kids who are forced into a physical and economic ghetto surrounded by a wall and the IDF?

It goes both ways the Israelis hate the Palestine's the Palestine hate the Israelis. You could trace that hate for each other back to the old testament. Its a muslim vs jewish thing more than it is a land thing...... at least in my opinion.

[Grahameeboy]

This guy does know we have newspapers and TV doesn't he...what extra news was he trying to tell us...

I think it is pretty selfish to use an innocent sports person...if he really wants to protest why doesn't he go to Israel and do it...

[slimjim]

This guy does know we have newspapers and TV doesn't he...what extra news was he trying to tell us...

I think it is pretty selfish to use an innocent sports person...if he really wants to protest why doesn't he go to Israel and do it...

cause he'd be dead if he did...

[Oscar]

It goes both ways the Israelis hate the Palestine's the Palestine hate the Israelis. You could trace that hate for each other back to the old testament. Its a muslim vs jewish thing more than it is a land thing...... at least in my opinion.

I suggest you do some more reading.
The conflict between Jews and Arabs in this area is comparatively modern.

They are also ethnically identical, and the whereas the Muslim faith is relatively new (700AD), Judaism has origins 14 or 15 centuries earlier than that. The two faiths share central figures (like Abraham) and most scholars agree that the share the central deity (in fact Allah and Jehovah / Yehowah and the Christian God are almost certainly the same being according to most theologists).

[Oscar]

I don't see the bit where the media in general and Reuters in particular should unquestioningly use faked photographs...

Where have they used faked photographs lately?
Answer - they don't have to, there is plenty of death and destruction to go around.

[Oscar]

Point 1. As Israel is NOT an occupational force, but the legitimate government, by your own definition, they are not the bad guys. Remember Gaza is not a country. Gaza is a terroritory of Israel, and has been this time round since 1967. It has also been Jewish many times in the past.

Please consult the UN resolution(s) dealing with the foundation of the Jewish State. Both of your contentions in respect of Isreal and Gaza are wrong.
I'd also be interested to know when was the last time any part of this area was Jewish.

Point 2. Israeli soldiers wear their insignia and are identifiable as military. They follow military procedures, and attack military targets. Thus they are NOT terrorists under any definition. The only terrorists in this conflict are the ones who dress as civilians, hide among civilians knowing that by doing so civilians will be killed, and target civilians rather than military.

So what? They are faced with an immensely superior force whose stated aim is to annihilate them.

Point 3. By wanting Israel to just sit back and accept that Hamas can kill Israelis without hitting back, you are supporting a regime that has openly stated it will not rest until all jews are dead.

Again, so what?
You make this sound like Snow White versus Predator.
The IDF Commander has stated that this is a once in a generation opportunity to wipe out Hamas. Each side would kill the other given the opportunity (and at the moment the IDF is the only one with the means).

Remember, this is a Western backed military leader saying he wants to wipe a democratically elected government - what does that say to the rest of the region? We ant Democracy for you, but only on our terms?

[Swoop]

To begin to understand how you and the like have been brainwashed...

I'll finish this one for you... "simply turn on your TV and believe everything that is being said. Do not look for other sources of information. Do not conduct your own research. Always believe the media since they are always correct".

Point 1. As Israel is NOT an occupational force, but the legitimate government, by your own definition, they are not the bad guys. Remember Gaza is not a country. Gaza is a terroritory of Israel, and has been this time round since 1967. It has also been Jewish many times in the past.

Israel has "withdrawn" from Gaza and left it to "self govern" as were the wishes of the populace. The palestinians could have their own bit of land and everyone could live happily ever after...
Until the terrorists decided to start chucking various explosive devices over the border.
Hence the IDF having to go in and sort out the "naughty boys and girls".

If your neighbour kept chucking molotov cocktails over your fence, you would want to have things sorted out damn quick.

[enigma51]

The conflict between Jews and Arabs in this area is comparatively modern.
(in fact Allah and Jehovah / Yehowah and the Christian God are almost certainly the same being according to most theologists).

Im glad i dont live close to you ..... your ass is going to get bombed for saying that.


and you right i should rephrase that Jews think there god is superior to all others and god promised them all the land.