Is this legal?

**jtzzr** · 13th January 2009, 20:21

Originally Posted by short-circuit

And so what starts?

"IT"

Sounds idiotic on the pipe situation , seems any copper can just say " Your pipes are too loud!" Start paying .

Would love to know who calibrated the officers ears.

**Tank** · 13th January 2009, 20:25

Originally Posted by Chill

They are after market pipes, they're loud but nice - not deafening.
They've passed WOF.

I was just put off by the fact the cop did no test or anything, I didn't even have the bike on when he came over to ticket me.

Passing WOF dosnt mean that they are legal.

Upshot is that the pipes are going to be noticeably louder than stock. Thus he had you pulled over. They do this for other infringements also like speeding.

I feel for you if the bike isn't that loud - some are just bloody terrible. But count yourself lucky that you didnt get green stickered.

**Iggy** · 13th January 2009, 20:25

Originally Posted by Mully

nerna nerna nerna nerna. Katman. Katman.

LOL......... ssssshhhhh he might notice

**smoky** · 13th January 2009, 20:26

Too many people just roll over and play dead
Why the **** put up with shit like that
You know if your pipes are loud - if they're not then fight the bastards
Go get them tested then shove it up the arsholes by appealing the infringment notice
have some balls

**piston broke** · 13th January 2009, 20:28

Originally Posted by Tank

again - if the guys pipes are actually too loud - then its not really picking on bikers is it?

People choose to make their bikes loud. You take the risk and fines with it.

absolutely.
but if the media reports are anything to go by,
i think we may well here a lot more of this sorta thing.
where was his noise meter?

**FJRider** · 13th January 2009, 20:29

Originally Posted by Chill

Rode past near a cop parked up by the side of the road this morning.
30 seconds later was waved over by a second cop who was already parked up.

I pull over, turn the bike off and he comes up, says my bike is too loud, checks my rego & wof and tickets me $150 for pipes being too loud. Doesn't do a noise check - isn't even standing next to the bike when it's turned on - just says the other cop radioed to him that my bike was too loud.
My bike passed WOF with the same pipes.

Is there anything I can do about this?

Take it to court, you'll need a lawyer, and lots of money to pay him.
Your options are on the back of the ticket...

**Tank** · 13th January 2009, 20:29

Originally Posted by smoky

Too many people just roll over and play dead
Why the **** put up with shit like that
You know if your pipes are loud - if they're not then fight the bastards
Go get them tested then shove it up the arsholes by appealing the infringment notice
have some balls

So you suggest fighting it on his subjective measurement of what's loud?

What if he spends all that money and finds out that it isnt legal?

**trumpy** · 13th January 2009, 20:29

Go and get them certified. If they pass they are legal, irrespective of what Mr Plod may think.
Not cheap but could save a lot of money in the long run.
My after market pipe is not that loud but I will be doing this to protect myself from poorly drafted laws and irresponsible Plods.

**Tank** · 13th January 2009, 20:34

Originally Posted by trumpy

Go and get them certified. If they pass they are legal, irrespective of what Mr Plod may think.
Not cheap but could save a lot of money in the long run.
My after market pipe is not that loud but I will be doing this to protect myself from poorly drafted laws and irresponsible Plods.

I just looked up the cost - only about $130 - 200

At that price get them done and the fine will go away.

LTNZ text follows:

The Objective Noise Test is a stationary tail-pipe noise test procedure based on international standards and can only be carried out by an approved low volume vehicle (LVV) certifier. If your vehicle passes the Objective Noise Test the LVV certifier will attach a label to the vehicle and issue a certificate. The cost of the test is about $130–200, depending on location. It is a one-off cost provided the exhaust system is maintained in good condition and is not modified further.

**short-circuit** · 13th January 2009, 20:35

Ok, whether or not someones pipes are too loud or not can surely only be assertained by testing the decibel level with a decibel meter.

Why should the onus be on a biker to prove they are complying with the law when they can easily test it then and there as they do with Roadside Breath Testing Devices

Some cop having a slow day pulling people over claiming their pipes are too loud based on his subjective judgement is unacceptable.

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 13th January 2009, 20:35

Originally Posted by trumpy

Go and get them certified. If they pass they are legal, irrespective of what Mr Plod may think.
Not cheap but could save a lot of money in the long run.
My after market pipe is not that loud but I will be doing this to protect myself from poorly drafted laws and irresponsible Plods.

and here is the problem that is...

After they are certified... and stamped... mr plod can still say they are too loud (because they could have been modified after they were certified) so you have to go get they done again... and again... and again

**BIGBOSSMAN** · 13th January 2009, 20:36

I'm afraid to say my respect for the police has free fallen over the years, this sort of stuff is pathetic revenue gathering at very best.
I've required the 'services' of our courageous boys in blue over the years, and there is not one situation where they delivered.

On the perennial 'speed kills' issue they've force fed the public over time, it's unadulterated and sanctimonious bullshit.
Try training the average baboonish kiwi driver to drive safely for a change - which in Germany can be done at quite some speed btw, instead of supporting the witless advertising industry in NZ.

Rant over

**mattian** · 13th January 2009, 20:38

Originally Posted by Chill

My bike passed WOF with the same pipes.

Is there anything I can do about this?

I don't recall ever having any specific tests done on the sound of my exhaust/bike when I went and got a warrant........ do they do that now?

**smoky** · 13th January 2009, 20:40

It’s interesting that in this country we are suppose to be innocent until proven guilty
I’d send in a copy of the WOF, with a letter appealing the infringement.
Ask them on basis do they base the charge that they are too noisy.
Just keep on insisting they are not too noisy and appeal – eventually they will drop it or it ill end up in court – if it ends up in court then the court can order a test