Right hand turns under 40km HELP!

[Leyton]

Why the heck do I have trouble turning right handers! Its like I am too scared to just get on with it or something. My left handers are natural, my right handers seam forced.

Is this kinda natural ? Is there some phycological theroy behind this madness ?

I have the same problem on my little minibike too.. Anything above 40 and its no worrys, the job gets done as well as the leftys.

My theory is that I am better at searching my left rather then the right for imediate objects in built up areas like dogs, cats, balls etc.. and when it comes to a right hand corner I am still concerned with whats going to T me on the left hand side. Who knows :P


Cheers in advanced

[lostinflyz]

look through the corners i find. often youll find your gaze is off looking at those things that may kill you and not where you going. ive had the same trouble with left handers on the road and righties on the track. dont go forcing things if your not comfy. just take it easy and itll come with time.

but just get comfy on the bike. dont try to hard and rem. to look where your going.

[fireliv]

When you go to turn right, do you move to the left hand side of the road to make your turn? Or do you stay on the right hand side? That would account for you thinking left handers are easier because you are already in a good line for taking the corner.

Good luck sorting it. This was something I used to do.

[OutForADuck]

Could it be that your leaning onto the throttle? Below 40kph it makes a real differnce but above you have more throttle on and it doesn't.

Driving through the corner rather than coasting is very important.

To counter this try a lower gear for the corner as riders I have helped that were doing this were always in too higher gear.

[Leyton]

I think you are right on the money there, its what I had been thinking too. Looking where I want to be smooths things up all the time, but I am still very carefull about crossing over the center lane to turn right hehe

What I mean by forced is the look, Put the tick in the box and corner. I do it the check much easyer on the leftys then the rightys and it fowls me up whilst being unsure even though there is nothing there...

More riding might be the cure

I rode tonight and found this more to be a problem

Cheers

[Leyton]

When you go to turn right, do you move to the left hand side of the road to make your turn? Or do you stay on the right hand side? That would account for you thinking left handers are easier because you are already in a good line for taking the corner.

Good luck sorting it. This was something I used to do.

I start it about in the middle so I am not to confuse the traffic, With the lefts I start on the left and finish in the right

[Leyton]

Could it be that your leaning onto the throttle? Below 40kph it makes a real differnce but above you have more throttle on and it doesn't.

Driving through the corner rather than coasting is very important.

To counter this try a lower gear for the corner as riders I have helped that were doing this were always in too higher gear.

I drive through it at the same speed I did on purpose quite a few right handers to make sure I was getting it perfect to eliminate that tonight.

I corner in 2nd as I find 1st a bit too slow and I find 2nd alot smoother in and out.

Sometimes 3rd if it is a larger sweaping corner with a good camber

[Jantar]

I can't explain a difference in right hander vs left hander in this respect. However as your speed drops counter steering becomes less effective and you have to start using body weight to lean the bike, and at a particular speed (varies for different bike/rider combinations) you will find that you actually have to steer into the bend rather than away from it. This is the natural speed of your bike above which it rides normally. On my GS1200SS this speed was around 41 kmh, and on the Vstrom its around 33 kmh.

At around this natural speed for your bike, you will find that you still counter steer to enter the turn, but that there isn't sufficient gyroscopic effect to maintain your angle of lean, and you have to start turning the front wheel into the turn to hold it. At lower speeds you will be steering into the bend and leaning with your body weight. It is possible that the corners you are having trouble with are the ones at the cusp of your bikes natural speed.

[fireliv]

I start it about in the middle so I am not to confuse the traffic, With the lefts I start on the left and finish in the right

I ride in the right hand side of the road (where you should be). When I approach a left, I stay in the right so that I can see as far round the corner as possible, take the corner and finish somewhere in the middle. When taking a right hand, I move to the left for the same reasons and finish somewhere in the middle.

My understanding is that it gives you the best line of sight?

[smoky]

I had the same thing, but it may not be you – in fact I bet it isn’t you, it’s either the bike set up or the tyres

If the back wheel isn’t aligned it can drop the bike in differently one side to the other, if the front forks are out – same thing
The front tyre can wear differently depending on how you set up and corner on the open road, some people brake harder into left hand corners for some strange reason and wear one side of the tyre more than the other, after a while the different wear on one side of the tyre can start mucking you up on slow speed corners.

I’d get the bike checked, tyres checked, by someone in the know

[Leyton]

I can't explain a difference in right hander vs left hander in this respect. However as your speed drops counter steering becomes less effective and you have to start using body weight to lean the bike, and at a particular speed (varies for different bike/rider combinations) you will find that you actually have to steer into the bend rather than away from it. This is the natural speed of your bike above which it rides normally. On my GS1200SS this speed was around 41 kmh, and on the Vstrom its around 33 kmh.

At around this natural speed for your bike, you will find that you still counter steer to enter the turn, but that there isn't sufficient gyroscopic effect to maintain your angle of lean, and you have to start turning the front wheel into the turn to hold it. At lower speeds you will be steering into the bend and leaning with your body weight. It is possible that the corners you are having trouble with are the ones at the cusp of your bikes natural speed.

I guess if I am starting tooo close to the right hand side of the road I am going in with much less speed then if I was on the very left. So the Gyro or laft of effect is a bloody good point... Cheers!

[Leyton]

I had the same thing, but it may not be you – in fact I bet it isn’t you, it’s either the bike set up or the tyres

If the back wheel isn’t aligned it can drop the bike in differently one side to the other, if the front forks are out – same thing
The front tyre can wear differently depending on how you set up and corner on the open road, some people brake harder into left hand corners for some strange reason and wear one side of the tyre more than the other, after a while the different wear on one side of the tyre can start mucking you up on slow speed corners.

I’d get the bike checked, tyres checked, by someone in the know

Good point to consider I will see if I improve following the advice here before pointing finger at me bike

I was pissing around tonight testing this theory acually hehe, hanging off one side to shift my weight and counterstearing to keep the bike inline.. not the best thing to do in the street hehe but I wanted to see how it felt on either side. The bike felt well balanced from either side taking into account the slight camber on the road.

[carver]

i am your local mentor.

il show ya how its done

[Leyton]

Summary in this order of points to try Cheers all for very quick advice!

1. Start the righty from the lefter side of the road whilst not to confuse traffic, Do this every time!
2. Try checking the hazards alot sooner and be sure sooner it is safe to cross the center line
3. Look down where I am turning

[Leyton]

i am your local mentor.

il show ya how its done

Thank god! See you at the pub Wednesday right ? hehe