New Buell, or what?

[vifferman]

I think they are remiss for not including the DN-01 in all 4 categories.
It's a remarkable vehicle.

Has the Big Dave piloted one?

The varadero appears to be a firestorm dressed in an drizabone.

What an excellent description!

[White Boots]

Hey Ocean i find my xb9s easier to ride through the city as it is a little revier then the xb12s. But wat ever you do mate, stick with the buells O and im sure the loud exhaust is part of the reason i havnt been hit yet.

[Big Dave]

Has the Big Dave piloted one?

He has. He is impressed and considers it a praiseworthy vehicle.
Transportation or recreation - the easiest one to ride - ever.

A harbinger.

[Scouse]

What about a Moto Morini Corsaro 1200cc 140hp situp like an XB12S

[Winston001]

The claimed numbers ain't hard to find, but briefly the Buell's the odd one out, there. Very long stroke limits revs to 7k. The advantage is torque, bucket loads, from a tad over 2k. The Shiver revs way higher, and yet manages to be quite useful from 3k and doesn't misbehave burbling along at just off idle. The KTM's 990 makes lotsa hp but it's a pain in the arse unless you've got it under load. Don't know about the Multistrada, likely to be closer to the KTM than the other two, I'll let you know eh?



I wouldn't get all tied up in numerical comparisons... lemme put it this way: If you'd never seen an XB12 before and I made the tacho tell porkies to put the red line at 11k and called it an 800 most people would be well impressed. The quest for hp/cc is largely a sales device, and it often produces engines that are not easy to use.

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Now - are you saying that a Buell has the acceleration and torque of an 800cc bike? Brings the VFR800 to mind - excellent reviews but slightly underpowered if you are the type of rider who expects high acceleration.

Fortunately I'm no longer impressed by HP because most modern bikes have heaps more than the old bikes I used to ride and modern bikes perform well above our roads and speed limits. Even 250s.

Neither am I interested in revs, except from a design and torque perspective. High revs I associate with inline 4s, two smokes and numbing vibration/buzzing. So to discover my Duke redlnes around 11,000 was a surprise, but with watercooling I figured the Ducati engineers knew what they were doing. Plus the vibration is the acceptable (to me) twin throb. I've can't recall red-lining my bike and can't imagine needing to, plus the rev limiter stutters in about 10,000 so you have to want to get through that.

[Ocean1]

Protracted itemised ejaculations...

Sounds right.

Particularly the bit about rolling on the gas on tip-in. They can get REALLY vague and scary if you overcook things and decide otherwise. In "Brisk" mode I like to get on the gas going in at about 3000rpm, aiming for full throttle at about 4000, just past the apex. By the time you're at around 6000 you're almost upright and changing up.

If i get bored with that I lift the whole rev-sequence 1000rpm.

Conditions permitting.

Hi Ocean,
Ive had 2 XB12r & i thought they were just friken awesome & something different that other bikes are not like, i have had my 1125 for a few months now,it is everything a XB12 is plus more,i suggest you go for a ride on one
i think you will be impressed

I had a wee feel of the 1125CR last week. I was dissapointed to find the ergonomics pretty much identical to the 1125R. Neither of them look to be any more ammenable to tweaking than than the XB12, so I can't see it fitting the bill. Still, I'll try one, eventually.

Hey Ocean i find my xb9s easier to ride through the city as it is a little revier then the xb12s.

Wouldn't surprise me, smaller is good for a lot of things.

Edit: And welcome, dude.

[Ocean1]

What about a Moto Morini Corsaro 1200cc 140hp situp like an XB12S

Don't know anything about them. Will look, though.

Cheers.

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Now - are you saying that a Buell has the acceleration and torque of an 800cc bike? Brings the VFR800 to mind - excellent reviews but slightly underpowered if you are the type of rider who expects high acceleration.

What sort of 800cc bike? 110hp is gettable from a 600, just not in any engine I'd want to have in a road bike. The torque certainly ain't, though.

Like I said, I genuinely don't give a fuck for the numbers. If the power characteristics I wanted were the exclusive domain of a 125cc Stirling engine with a reasonable mass budget then that's what I'd have.

High acceleration means HP and low mass. Nothing else. Lots of HP in a new bike is exciting, for a while. About six weeks I reckon. The good times from a torque curve that very closely matches a bike's available traction through a corner lasts longer.

HP means revs. Other things too, but if everything else is optomised for hp/cc then you want a bunch of revs. Multiple cylinders means shorter absolute stroke, which allows more revs. V10 = (potentially) bulk HP. V twins are said to be more tractable, and a lot of very clever people with a lot of money have spent a lot of time trying to work out why. They're interested for competitive reasons, but if they ever manage to reproduce the full effect in an engine with more cylinders then Ducati's racing days are limited. I think they're safe for now.

[pzkpfw]

V twins are said to be more tractable, and a lot of very clever people with a lot of money have spent a lot of time trying to work out why. They're interested for competitive reasons, but if they ever manage to reproduce the full effect in an engine with more cylinders then Ducati's racing days are limited. I think they're safe for now.

Isn't that what the firing order (etc) of the new R1 is trying to do?

i.e. multiple cylinders but banging like a twin?

(No banging-twins joke intended.)

[BMWST?]

if you are considering bmw800,v stroms,varedeo(sp) there is one bike that many people rate as better than all those......Yamah TDM 900...$15000 last time i looked,lacking in some character compared to Buells,Ducatis etc...Bloody good allrounder from my own research

[vifferman]

He has. He is impressed and considers it a praiseworthy vehicle.
Transportation or recreation - the easiest one to ride - ever.

It's actually called the "Honda DN-01 Easy-Rider"

A harbinger.

Of doom?
The death knell for 'conventional' motorcycles?

[BMWST?]

so it seems to have a CVT trans....ffs how hard is it to move your hand and foot in a semi co ordinated fashion with very little effort involved.I spose someone will say the conventional trans is to intricate/complex to manufacture...not to mention you have a clutch in there too....

[vifferman]

so it seems to have a CVT trans....ffs how hard is it to move your hand and foot in a semi co ordinated fashion with very little effort involved.I spose someone will say the conventional trans is to intricate/complex to manufacture...not to mention you have a clutch in there too....

No, it's not CVT - it uses hydraulic clutches, so it's actually an electro-hydraulic automatic transmission, and MORE complicated than a typical m/cycle gearbox.
As for "how hard is it to change gears"? You have to realise a lot of Mrkns (and perhaps Yrpeens) have never driven a vehicle with manual transmission, so riding a motorcycle is a daunting prospect. Thus the market for a cruiser-styled bike with auto trans, combined braking system with ABS (like a car) is potentially huge. Lots of people who fancy a bike but can't deal with having to concentrate on changing gears for the first time will find this quite attractive (even if it is rather hideous).

[BMWST?]

No, it's not CVT - it uses hydraulic clutches, so it's actually an electro-hydraulic automatic transmission, and MORE complicated than a typical m/cycle gearbox.
As for "how hard is it to change gears"? You have to realise a lot of Mrkns (and perhaps Yrpeens) have never driven a vehicle with manual transmission, so riding a motorcycle is a daunting prospect. Thus the market for a cruiser-styled bike with auto trans, combined braking system with ABS (like a car) is potentially huge. Lots of people who fancy a bike but can't deal with having to concentrate on changing gears for the first time will find this quite attractive (even if it is rather hideous).

yes i can see what they are lookin at...its all we need ...scooter riders graduating to big bikes...
as with a lot of features on new er cars..its all one step closer to robots driving US

[Big Dave]

Well hey - people are different.

There are a lot of them that are not sports motorcyclists - not enthusiasts - they just want fuel efficient transportation.

Vehicles like the DN-01 offer the performance/safety/comfort/passenger aspects of a mid power motorcycle with the ease of riding of a scooter.

Rossi would hate it, Edna from Takininnipuna thinks it might be a blast.

The infinitely variable ratio transmission, economy and sports modes or a 6 speed triptronic are pointers to the future.

They will not be compulsory - but many will benefit from the availability

[BMWST?]

Well hey - people are different.

There are a lot of them that are not sports motorcyclists - not enthusiasts - they just want fuel efficient transportation.

Vehicles like the DN-01 offer the performance/safety/comfort/passenger aspects of a mid power motorcycle with the ease of riding of a scooter.

Rossi would hate it, Edna from Takininnipuna thinks it might be a blast.

The infinitely variable ratio transmission, economy and sports modes or a 6 speed triptronic are pointers to the future.

They will not be compulsory - but many will benefit from the availability

totally agree....perhaps not about edna but maybe edward....