Tip: Riding by sight and anticipation.

**The Stranger:Me** · 21st January 2009, 21:29

Originally Posted by toycollector10

NOTHING can prepare you for the instant that takes your life.

What's to prepare?
At that time it's all over rover, same for you, same for me.

**98tls** · 21st January 2009, 21:30

Originally Posted by SixPackBack

Strange huh??.....and yet very few people pull out on me black bike?...go figure!

For sure,i value my life enough to if i thought for one minute it would help wear a hi vis thingy but i honestly dont think it would make any difference,sadly.I many years ago went to my 21 year old cousins funeral after she was killed by an old guy who "just didnt see her".Ive never forgotten the old fella as he had the balls/stupidity/respect to turn up to her funeral...i out of respect for his respect shook his hand after the event,he still even then amongst his tears said "i just didnt see her".Jules was in the airforce stationed in Blenheim and rode a GN250 and wore a pink..yea pink ski jacket to keep warm when riding.

**The Stranger:Me** · 21st January 2009, 21:31

Originally Posted by Katman

I know exactly where toycollector is coming from.

I've been pleased to see Paul's recent posts giving tips to surviving on a bike but if they end up being followed by more of his wanky "look how fast I can ride" videos then he is clearly only paying lip service.

I suppose only time will tell.

Wahoo, keep it up Beyond.
Get enough katman points and you can earn a get out of jail free card to use when you post your next video.

**sondela** · 21st January 2009, 21:42

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

I would say the correct line on the road is the safest one, not the one that works on a track.
But yes, very good post.

Is that not the point of the original post?

I read all your advice Beyond, and take it in, there is not one of us who can afford to stop learning to ride better, and listening to sound advice is one way to learn. Keep it up, perhaps you will help someone make a good decision that will save a life..

**Luckylegs** · 21st January 2009, 22:30

Good post Beyond... thanks for the thoughts (tips).

That aside however, can you all stop quoting Toycollector... Its making my ignore list redundant

**toycollector10** · 21st January 2009, 23:38

I was thinking at times today that I'd been too hard on beyond.

I don't know him, but to me he's just too quick and slick. I'm 56 years old, and purposefully slow and wary most of the time. Most of the time.

Beyond is young and quick most of the time. I care about the riders out there. Yeah, I'm a pussy. Why? because I see so much crap riding and driving that it just plain scares me, and I hope that people will learn by observation and not personal experience, which can carry a lot of pain and suffering.

So I'm pretty much old and slow and boring but what's the bloody hurry? I like the twisties as much as the next rider but get it in perspective FGS. And if you save it for the track it's so much better than doing it on the road.

**LBD** · 22nd January 2009, 02:31

Originally Posted by beyond

4. Expect the worse and act like every other road user, farmer, pedestrian, wildlife, rural delivery driver and trucker is out to get you. No need to be paranoid but always be asking what if that truck took that corner to wide....have I got room to move?

This needs to be in bold underlined italics with exclimation marks in parenth...perthis.....piranthis....brackets

**jrandom** · 22nd January 2009, 07:08

Originally Posted by toycollector10

I don't know him, but to me he's just too quick and slick. I'm 56 years old...

Beyond is young

**Mystic13** · 22nd January 2009, 07:17

Originally Posted by toycollector10

I was thinking at times today that I'd been too hard on beyond.

I don't know him, but to me he's just too quick and slick. I'm 56 years old, and purposefully slow and wary most of the time. Most of the time.

Beyond is young and quick most of the time. I care about the riders out there. Yeah, I'm a pussy. Why? because I see so much crap riding and driving that it just plain scares me, and I hope that people will learn by observation and not personal experience, which can carry a lot of pain and suffering.

So I'm pretty much old and slow and boring but what's the bloody hurry? I like the twisties as much as the next rider but get it in perspective FGS. And if you save it for the track it's so much better than doing it on the road.

Your first post made no sense to me. We had Beyond posting a whole bunch of advice and tips and then you come on posting like he suggested tips for going fast and racing. So i re-read Beyond's post and find nothing of the sort so I'm thinking "what the?"

Then as i get further on it becomes clear you aren't posting about the thread you're taking a shot at Beyond because of other stuff he's posted.

For me I'd prefer if you stay on topic.

Then some posters comment about your post.

So you post up post number 2 to what?... explain yourself, to soften post 1 etc.

IMHO you're off the mark and again my preference is staying on topic. If you have some issues with Beyond go start a thread instead of tagging threads where he's given good clean advice. The really funny thing is with everything you've said it appears you agree with the content of Beyond's post in this thread.

- Beyond may be "young and quick" (unfortunately I don't know 'em either) but nothing he said was foolish. When is "young and quick" something to have a problem with.

- You go on to say "Beyond is young and quick most of the time. I care about the riders out there." ... and this implies that Beyond doesn't care about riders.

- You also say "I see so much crap riding and driving that it just plain scares me, and I hope that people will learn by observation and not personal experience, which can carry a lot of pain and suffering.".... I've done a lot of km's and i can tell you in my experience I could never learn to ride and ride better by observation alone and not personal experience. For me it's useful to read about riding techniques and then practise them. Or do you mean observe peoples crap riding rather than riding crap?

Ultimately Beyond gave some good advice and what would have been useful for you to do is to add in any other good advise you have.

Oh and when does riding slow mean that you ride safe or that you ride good. I am always weary when a poster points out how badly others ride and then says or implies that they have it right. We're always learning on these things.

Cheers.

Yes I know this is off topic and sorry Beyond. Hopefully Toycollector10 won't post off topic further and we can get back to the thread. it seems they may also have some useful tips they can add.

**The Stranger:Me** · 22nd January 2009, 07:33

Originally Posted by toycollector10

I was thinking at times today that I'd been too hard on beyond.

I don't know him, but to me he's just too quick and slick. I'm 56 years old, and purposefully slow and wary most of the time. Most of the time.

Beyond is young and quick most of the time.

Well not sure if that qualifies as an apology, though these are frowned upon by the mods here, but it's a start.

Although he will no doubt appreciate the compliment, his age is not the only assumption you have wrong. I guess that explains (though doesn't excuse) why you have been addressing Beyond with a rather condescending tone.

Now all you need to do is loose a couple of other erroneous preconceived ideas that you know about him.

**beyond** · 22nd January 2009, 17:41

Originally Posted by toycollector10

Beyond is young and quick most of the time.

Well, I just have to get on here and thank you heaps for the compliment mate

Reminds me of a quote R6 Kid made once after a Coro loop ride with a bunch of us. "Motoracer is a crazy young man and Beyond is a crazy old man".

Always had a laugh over that one

However, just to put the record straight, I'm a couple of months off 52 years old but I like the young comments.... keep them coming.

I do believe I ride safe and try very much to do so and I know that my level of what I call safe is not so for many others. I assure you once again that I have pulled back considerably on what I used to ride like prior to the incident of 2/12/06 and I know that day affected the riding of many others too.

Cheers all.

P.S. I'm happy to ride with anyone who really wants to check me out..... I'm not so young so probably no threat but I am happily married

**Macontour** · 23rd January 2009, 02:58

Being new back to bikes after 8 years away, I was cut off twice in 1 km on the test ride of my Duke. Scared me bad...even made me have second thoughts about bikes. I realised that I had lost my paranoia about other vehicles and because I drive tour coaches for a living, I am used to being a dominant presence on the road. Not so on a bike.

My tips are that I cover rear brake always and in traffic I tend to ride with 2 fingers on front brake lever.

I also prefer the right hand lane on the Motorway because then I only have to worry about cars coming at me from the Left, not both sides.

I also tend to ride to the right hand side of the lane. It avoids oil, fluids and all sorts of debris that could be between the car wheel tracks and also gives me an easy escape route to the right if it looks like the car behind me isn't going to stop.

I like to ride fast as most of us do but pick the time and place...200ks on the Desert Rd is probably less dangerous that 70 ks past a school at 3 pm.

**vifferman** · 23rd January 2009, 10:10

Good post, Dr Beyond.

Lest some nooob following your advice to "never take your eyes off the road" and various instructions to "scan" and "watch" ends up staring fixedly ahead (not your intention, I know), I would add that the visual part of your brain works better in response to movement. On a very winding road, your head turning to look through each successive corner supplies much of the changing image (stimulus) required, but on straighter roads (and even in the bends), it's important to be flicking your eyes around a bit when you scan the road ahead. Your head should be pointing in the direction you want to turn, but your eyes should be alternating between a quick glance down and scan of the road surface for hazards like debris or potholes, and a more concentrated view ahead towards the vanishing point.

**martybabe** · 23rd January 2009, 12:07

Good stuff once again Paul, you crazy young thing

when you've been in the saddle as long as as we have, you do a million and one things to stay alive but most of them are second nature almost auto pilot. It's all to easy to forget that the skills and attitude that keep us upright are not part of the inexperienced riders Arsenal of protection.

There are many people riding without the hard won knowledge and experience we have, f#ck knows we're none of us perfect but actually sharing our experiences for all to contemplate can only be a good thing as some of the inexperienced riders posts will testify.

These posts are really useful for a lot of our members, long may they continue.