Female officer beaten until unrecognisable by teen

**Tank** · 27th January 2009, 11:08

Originally Posted by The Stranger

Or if during the beating he grabbed her gun and shot her.
Yes, arm the police. It fixes everything.

Just shows how hard it is to find the 'right' answer dosnt it?

**Slyer** · 27th January 2009, 11:16

What are you lot even arguing about anymore?

**firefighter** · 27th January 2009, 11:17

Originally Posted by The Stranger

Or if during the beating he grabbed her gun and shot her.
Yes, arm the police. It fixes everything.

not in my world lol, in my world she would have had her gun drawn, when he ran she would have shot him in the back........dreams are free...

**The Stranger:Me** · 27th January 2009, 11:29

Originally Posted by Tank

Just shows how hard it is to find the 'right' answer dosnt it?

Yes, it sure does.

Rational thought and reasoned debate are I think the order of the day, not knee jerk reactions as in the OP.

**Paul in NZ** · 27th January 2009, 11:31

Originally Posted by firefighter

not in my world lol, in my world she would have had her gun drawn, when he ran she would have shot him in the back........dreams are free...

Dreams might be free but it's the court cases that cost the money.....

Its very sad that these young guys are always prepared to take on the cops now. Crazy! Of course they usually have some role model out there eh? I really don't know what the answer is but I agree there is something brewing here that could sweep us all away if we don't stop it...

**firefighter** · 27th January 2009, 11:42

Originally Posted by The Stranger

Yes, it sure does.

Rational thought and reasoned debate are I think the order of the day, not knee jerk reactions as in the OP.

Actually, not knee jerk at all.

I have been of this opinion for many a year, and after a ride along (12hour shift 1400-0200) with a police force that is armed (LVMPD) I have seen first hand that arming police is'nt the terrible, scary frightful thing kiwis in general seem to think it is.

As i've said in many, many previous posts, it's just another tool for use, one which gains instant respect, and although my original post does contain what seems to be a knee jerk reaction, I was intending for it to be more of an argument in favour of my opinions towards this issue, rather than an emotional one. After re-reading it I guess it may be a clash of the two.

Either way I stick to my guns on this topic (no pun intended) and would personally like to see our cops treated with a bit more respect and armed to the level of other police forces dealing with the same level of violent crime.

**Dean** · 27th January 2009, 11:45

Originally Posted by firefighter

Like what? let him get away in case he can fight?

read tank's post above.....it's a good read really.

Her job is to apprehend the offender, most of the time the offender would'nt turn around and start trying to beat the living snot out of you, rather just get away. She can't pick and choose her battles, just make the best of the situation which lays before her, it's a dangerous job, she was caught out, this does'nt make her incapable, it's happened before, and will happen again, that does'nt make an officer in-capable, just out-foxed.

As tank states above, his worst hiding was from a "srawny little prick", you have no idea of someones fighting ability until you engage them, and obviously this little shit had some ability, be it strength (skinny does not mean weak) or skill.

The female officer did everything by the book , infact this officer did an exceptional job in the pursuit for the crazed teen.because if she would of pulled out a gun and killed this kid she would of been all over the media with so much controversy.she may not have realised it but getting that beating showed her courage and bravery.many other officers whilst getting pummeled to the ground would go further than justice served,and end up seriously injuring the kid or killing him.but she remained by the book,and didnt make any actions she would of regreted.cops like this lady , there needs to be more of them

**Str8 Jacket** · 27th January 2009, 11:50

It's very easy to judge a situation you know nothing about these day's. Is'nt it?

**The Stranger:Me** · 27th January 2009, 12:19

Originally Posted by firefighter

Either way I stick to my guns on this topic (no pun intended) and would personally like to see our cops treated with a bit more respect and armed to the level of other police forces dealing with the same level of violent crime.

Got to agree with you on the respect for Police thing 100%.
An example should be made of this guy and a very clear message sent.

Unfortunately in our current climate he will probably get diversion or a slap with a wet bus ticket.

If the Police are routinely armed does this lead to crims feeling the need to be similarly routinely armed? How do they prevent the weapon being seized and used against them? How do they prevent accidental shooting such as we saw on the NW motorway? If crims decide it is safer for them to have guns are the general unarmed populace going to be facing a greater risk in say a home burglary scenario?
I am not just talking about the theory of all this, but the practice. For example sending all the Police to combat zones for "high pressure" training is probably not feasible in practice

**Badjelly** · 27th January 2009, 12:40

Originally Posted by Str8 Jacket

It's very easy to judge a situation you know nothing about these day's. Isn't it?

Absolutely! For example, I know this thread is a load of rubbish and I haven't even bothered to read most of it.

Just call it an informed guess based on past experience.

**firefighter** · 27th January 2009, 12:49

Originally Posted by The Stranger

If the Police are routinely armed does this lead to crims feeling the need to be similarly routinely armed?

I don't think so, I think it's proven that all those that can get a gun probably already have one.....whether the cops have one or not, i'd say it's more of a supply and demand thing in N.Z than a need because of what the cops have- the cops do already have them just not worn on thier hip.....

Originally Posted by The Stranger

How do they prevent the weapon being seized and used against them?

Same as the yanks, aussies etc do, pull the trigger when they get to close....

Originally Posted by The Stranger

How do they prevent accidental shooting such as we saw on the NW motorway?

Leading to a point iv'e made earlier- by wearing them all the time, they will be concentrating on shooting the guy, rather than "holy shit i'm actually holding my gun and aiming it at someone, I hope I don't fuck up"....kind of thing (makes it a tool rather than something to fear, respect the gun but don't fear it)

Originally Posted by The Stranger

If crims decide it is safer for them to have guns are the general unarmed populace going to be facing a greater risk in say a home burglary scenario?

I think iv'e covered this in the first part of this post, the latest home burglary incidents iv'e heard of invovled an old man being beaten and stabbed to death- so I don't think the whole gun thing even enters into it.

**Drogen Omen** · 27th January 2009, 13:09

Originally Posted by MSTRS

No wonder. It's the traffic side that has caused most of that. And mistakes by so-called highly trained professionals.
?

what do you do for a job?
have you been trained?
how many accidents have you had?
has your boss fired your ass yet?

if not then he must have said accidents happen.

**mister.koz** · 27th January 2009, 13:25

There's got to be harsher penalties.

I would understand a trip or a hard hit to get away but beating someone like that is just plain evil. 16 year old or not, beating the crap out of a police officer is just shocking, hope he's tried as an adult and "resists" in his cell on a daily basis.

Tazer's are great and lets face it; if you have a bad heart then don't break the law OR when a cop says "stop or i will zap the shit outa you" then stop its not rocket science.

What's wrong with our legal system when people can get away with something by being on drugs? If a drunk driver kills someone they are hit really hard. For the same reason someone on P should be held responsible for their actions, no one held them down and made them smoke/inject it.

We are inhibiting Darwin's theory by babying criminals...