'Rider down' threads for strangers - yes or no?

[HenryDorsetCase]

James,

That was humour - most of us know (not all mind you) that its a bad idea.

Welcome to KB.

yeah I find the buttons on my celly hard to operate with gloves on.

[cs363]

I agree that something needs to be posted to notify the members, I also agree it is probably not appropriate to have an open forum every time an accident/ fatality happens.

A sub forum is a good idea, but instead of a need to subscribe to the forum, the forum may only contributed to by site administrators/moderators. Little like notices in the paper that cannot be responded to. All pertinant police notices that are related to motor cycles and MC accidents, not just fatalities are posted there. And to help learn from accidents, after an initial posting of an accident or fatality, a police findings notice is later added. That should add to our collective riding wisdom.

I think that in the case of a fatality involving a KB member, the site administrator/moderators could post a collective sympathy note on the site on behalf of the membership.

Its true that if I was involved in an accident (and survived) and was at fault I would want to keep the fact somewhat quiet, and not posted on the forum, however police findings are public and if one other person learnt from my mistake, then there is value....

And if a member wants to bury their head in the sand and not take advantage of potential lessons to learn, then they do not need to open the forum and view the contents.

Just my thoughts.....

All good points, no disagreement from this quarter

[Hitcher]

BTW - Mods - If this gets a result strongly one way or the other - are you willing to discuss making it a rule?

"Biker down" threads are probably the most controversial topic that gets raised on Kiwi Biker's forums. But I can't see how any discussion could be better covered than the current rules attempt to do.

The purpose of the rules as they currently stand, is to prevent gossip, speculation, or public disclosure of the names of affected parties/deceased persons until their next of kin etc has been notified by the Police. This is as close as Kiwi Biker gets to "censorship". These rules have been developed iteratively over some years.

I suspect that Kiwi Biker's Big Five* thread topics will remain controversial and perennial for some time to come.

*1. Biker Down
2. ATGATT
3. Waving
4. Countersteering
5. The Police (not the band)

[HenryDorsetCase]

"Biker down" threads are probably the most controversial topic that gets raised on Kiwi Biker's forums. But I can't see how any discussion could be better covered than the current rules attempt to do.

The purpose of the rules as they currently stand, is to prevent gossip, speculation, or public disclosure of the names of affected parties/deceased persons until their next of kin etc has been notified by the Police. This is as close as Kiwi Biker gets to "censorship". These rules have been developed iteratively over some years.

I suspect that Kiwi Biker's Big Five* thread topics will remain controversial and perennial for some time to come.

*1. Biker Down
2. ATGATT
3. Waving
4. Countersteering
5. The Police (not the band)

yup, all except No 5: Everybody KNOWS that the Police (the "band") suck diddly uck

[Drunken Monkey]

For those who have voted yes for these threads, do you go online to acknowledge every car driver's death, every push bike rider's death, every skateboarder's death? No? Why not?

Is it because they are not motorcyclists?

What if a motorcyclist is a rapist, a wife beater, a kiddie fiddler, a bike thief? Still want to wish that they rest in peace?

It's fucking pathetic.

Agreed.

Reminds me of this thread: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=34060

Apparently I'm insensitive and caused outrage for calling a drunk motorcyclist who crashed into a parked car while riding 100+ in a 50 zone a "turkey", but it's ok for other KB'ers to tell me to "go fuck (my)self"...

[JamesHD]

James,

That was humour - most of us know (not all mind you) that its a bad idea.

Welcome to KB.

haha, ,all good mate. and cheers for the welcome . I find this KB website great; loads of information (and always funny to follow the arguements between fellow kber's)

cheers again.

[JamesHD]

yeah I find the buttons on my celly hard to operate with gloves on.

especially with the size of some of the phones these days

[Maha]

The thoughts about this very topic from two guys that are no longer with us.

On a side note, my way of thinking is that the people that are important (not many, if any) to me will find out by me calling them or friends getting in touch, and for all the others that might give a toss about a wanker like me they'll find out in due time. Unless given premisson by the muppet who crashed, i dont think it's right to post it, like i said the people who need to know will find out.

My vote would be to ask first or leave it to the family. If you are close to the person who had an incident you will be informed, usually though a network of close friends. If you need to read it off the internet are you really that close to the person? Do you need to know right then and there?

[Skyryder]

If I'm not interested in the thread I don't open it. Works for me why can it not work others who voted no.

Skyryder

[cs363]

If I'm not interested in the thread I don't open it. Works for me why can it not work others who voted no.

Skyryder

The only problem with that is that some posters use rather vague thread titles, so you can't always tell what the thread is actually about until you open it (and it's not just the rider down threads either, but I digress )

So I guess a possible solution if people must continue with unknown rider down threads would be something like the **WW** warning, say **URD** or whatever to warn of the content?

Personally, I don't have an issue with someone posting about friends or family if they feel the need or perhaps an incident they saw or were involved in, but the pointless paparazzi like reporting of accidents/rider down etc from police or news reports is creepy IMO.

[98tls]

The only problem with that is that some posters use rather vague thread titles, so you can't always tell what the thread is actually about until you open it (and it's not just the rider down threads either, but I digress )

So I guess a possible solution if people must continue with unknown rider down threads would be something like the **WW** warning, say **URD** or whatever to warn of the content?

Personally, I don't have an issue with someone posting about friends or family if they feel the need or perhaps an incident they saw or were involved in, but the pointless paparazzi like reporting of accidents/rider down etc from police or news reports is creepy IMO.

Yep totally agree.A big off which results in injury/death is without doubt the worst thing and to see ghouls feeding of it by announcing it on the interweb is disgusting.

[Drew]

Yep totally agree.A big off which results in injury/death is without doubt the worst thing and to see ghouls feeding of it by announcing it on the interweb is disgusting.

So the poll really asks, is it morally right or wrong?

Essentially should get the same results, but replies would be even longer fuckin winded, than they are already.