New boy racer legislation

[Tony]

um yea, and look at how sensible that is! A 250 2 smoker can take down most 400's and some 600's and its the same with cars. sorry to smack you with this one but most of the cars i see "acting up" are glanzas (1.2 or 1.3l) charades (660cc) those poo mitsi mx's (1.3 1.5 and 1.8l) a few lancer hatches 1.25l) and the other problem with that is the smaller the engine the lighter the car (just as with bikes 250cc no longer means gutless due to having next to no mass) so i think cc is a bullshit rule. as is no turbos.

Sorry to burst your bubble but a non modified non turbo car less than 1350 cc can't take down much. But far more importantly doesn't motivate anyone to try.

We have lots of rules the cops can use after the offence.

What the intent of the 'Tony' rules is to stop the offences occuring in the first place!

If your young and want excitement behind the wheel then get a race license and race cars or karts - it's way more fun on a track.

[Pedrostt500]

Well there has always been boy racers of one sort or another down the years, nothing new here, now we have the news media stirring the pot, the old standard of if it bleeds it leads, shocking old grannies at how naughty those bad boy racers are, sells news papers and telivision advertising.
Ok so what needs to happen to those boy racer MUPPETS, who belive that they are above the law, or just dont give a fuck about the law or any one else. the police have more than enough laws that they can use, where the house of cards falls apart is in the justic system, our Judges are limp wristed, they allow tens of thousands of dollars to be racked up in fines, then wipe the fines with a short stint of community service. jail is only handed down as an extreme measure, often watered down to home detention.

Ok think a strike three first time up on a, Drink Driving, Dangerous Driving, using a Motor Vechicle for an unlawfull act, should recive a minimum of a 12 month and one day lose of licence, they have to go through the full licence resit all over again and pay any fines and full payments for damages to any victims.
strike two is the same as strike one.
strike three is lose of licence for life and a life time ban on owning any vechicles.

Am I a Bastard or what?.

[Tony]

We want less restrictions on the motorcycle laws, removal of the 70kph limit, increasing the max cc rating, it a little umm hypocritical to then turn around and demand that restrictions are placed on cars.

The reason to remove the 70km restriction is that it is dangerous. The increased CC rating rule is a power to weight rating. the bikes that are over 250cc that comply with this are slower than most of the 2-stroke 250 cc bikes that are currently legal for learners. The proposed changes to the GDLS for learners make it safer for learners.

The larger portion of the voting public will be opposed to this as currently they only have to have one car that the kids can use when needed, what about those on learners in rural areas that may drive the 4 wheel drive or farm truck.

The 'Tony laws' accomodate the 4 wheel drive or farm truck. (see original thread posting). They also accomodate junior driving dad's car with dad in the passenger seat. If dad has a GSX 750 we don't expect junior to ride it on his restricted - so what's the difference. When Dad has a Audi turbo and junior wants to drive it by himself? I would think Dads will be pleased to be able to say "Son the law doesn't allow you to drive my it".

[JMemonic]

The reason to remove the 70km restriction is that it is dangerous. The increased CC rating rule is a power to weight rating. the bikes that are over 250cc that comply with this are slower than most of the 2-stroke 250 cc bikes that are currently legal for learners. The proposed changes to the GDLS for learners make it safer for learners.

I heartily agree with the proposed changes to GLDS and I understand the reasons for them but consider for a minute the appearance of hypocrisy to the general public who have never had any experience of the GLDS that we as motorcyclists have had to go through.

The 'Tony laws' accomodate the 4 wheel drive or farm truck. (see original thread posting). They also accomodate junior driving dad's car with dad in the passenger seat. If dad has a GSX 750 we don't expect junior to ride it on his restricted - so what's the difference. When Dad has a Audi turbo and junior wants to drive it by himself? I would think Dads will be pleased to be able to say "Son the law doesn't allow you to drive my it".

lol funny you should mention turbo Audi's when I did see one with an 'L' plate over the weekend.

[Scouse]

The trouble with giving the Police more powers to deal with boy racers is the cops then migrate the new laws to deal with any other sections of the community that it suits them to use it against, take that Wanganui business man that had his Mercedes confiscated under the boy racer sustained loss of traction laws, this guy was obviously not a boy racer so these laws should not have applied. But in typical fashion give the cops more power and they will abuse it.

[Genestho]

My own gut feeling on this is that there needs to be some kind of legislation where the courts have imposed some penalty by way of loss of licence and the car impounded etc there needs to be some measures taken for the prevention of purchasing a new vehicle. Shut down the credit supply by making it an offence to give credit for the purchase of a vehicle for say five years coupled with an extended period of loss of licence for an equivalent time for weekends (when most of these problem occure) and you will solve this problem over night.
Skyryder

I would support the prevention of purchasing new and second hand vehicles in these, and some recidivist drink driving cases.

[JMemonic]

But in typical fashion give the cops more power and they will abuse it.

If I may it is important to alter your statement a little to give the cops more power and some will abuse it, unfortunately.

[quickbuck]

What he said,crush their cars.

I reckon the caption on 3 News was onto it....
"Crush Boy Racers".

That will stop repeat offending.

[Scouse]

If I may it is important to alter your statement a little to give the cops more power and some will abuse it, unfortunately.

fuck off its my statement and im sticking to it

[Molly]

fuck off its my statement and im sticking to it

Calm down. Calm down...

[DEATH_INC.]

But this issue is not one of cars or boy racers but one of simple lawlessness.

Fuck yeh!
This fuckin BS comes up every time some retard in a modded car does something retarded. Boy racers are NOT ALL THE SAME!!!! Same as we are not all 'moron few'. Just because you like modding your car DOESN'T mean you are gonna attack the cops! And since when did a burnout do any harm? Why can't they just give them somewhere to go?
These stupid fuckin laws will just make more people run, and lead to more abuse by some of the asshole cops that are out there, that have no fucken accountability for there decisions!
AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

[Fatjim]

why the fuck do they need to make another bullshit law to deal with these fuckwits? what is wrong with using the dangerous driving, speeding, drunk driving, assualt, etc laws that already exist.

Exactly. Those 300 already broke some pretty serious laws. Whats one more.

Perhaps you feel it is ok to have you life ruined by lack of sleep, for both you and your family, your property trashed with people urinating on you garden, to find excrement on your lawns, and should you have the audacity to complain or attempt to suggest that perhaps consideration towards sleep and your sanity would be nice you are subjected to stand over tactics with threats of personal harm to yourself and your family including children not limited to but including fire-bombing you home, physical harm, even in one case that I know of gang rape.

Mate, if you need a hand, why don't you ask?

Remove the incentive by limiting them to communter cars.

Limit the guys to pink cars with love hearts , and the girls to black cars with white spots and horns that go moooo!

[Dragon]

OK what is the definiton of a boy racer?

and second the people that I consider to be them will run if they know the cops can crush cars. Also these guys can drive well and will do whatever it takes to get away including putting the public at risk. I also know a few racers which have different plates for there cars.

[Dave-]

Tony I just don't think your system would work mate, it's too relaxed and easy to work around.

the suggested legislation is worse though.

but tbh I haven't got any better ideas really...boy racers don't really bother me, infact I find their antics quite humerous...but I have a sick sense of humor.

[madbikeboy]

Okay, my $0.02.

1. Lack of self regulation from a group means government regulation.
Boy racers mobbing and shooting at cops. I think the cop showed incredible self restraint. I would have given it shit and gotten out of there.

You're worried about laws getting wide application, inappropriate application. I see bikers dying a lot over the summer, and getting news attention. As a group, community, whatever, we need to positively lobby the government, media, and bikers. We'd get momentum, do you think anything the boy racers would say would?

2. Blanket laws and the fallout.
With any legislation, there is a process to get ammendments - stop whining and start lobbying your local MP.

I actually don't give a rats ass, but if they start crushing cars, tell 'em to target repeat drunk drivers.