AMCC Presidents Report Feb 09

[Robert Taylor]

His hero Rob Muldoon may have given him one during "THINK BIG"

Sorry to take you guys away from reading ''the life and times of Chairman Mao'' And maybe you eagerly await H Duynhovens forthcoming autobiography ''All political careers end in failure'' ( Actually a decent guy but he is one of them )
Notably, a number who have posted on this thread have recognised that those who are involved in organising meetings certainly dont have it easy. For heavens sake we have only 4 million people and only a tiny percentage road race motorcycles. It is very difficult to have all the trappings of the western world and have the full infrastructure to support it. As if running a meeting is not enough of a burden in itself they then have to often run the gauntlet of kangaroo courts on forums. That is not to say there is an excuse for blatant incompetence.
Hampton Downs will be a case in point. It has so many corners and elevation changes that it will require LOTs of corner marshals. Where will they all come from and how will the cost be shared? I hear all the time grizzling about entry fees.

[Robert Taylor]

For gods sake get over yourself.
There are numerous sound reasons for a degree of anonymity.
I challenge you to find one comment or post of mine in which I have lied or told a mistruth.
I have had people on, wound people up and used sarcasm from time to time - that is not lies.

History survives on the Internet long long after you may want it to. I have put far more truth on here than I would have been prepared to if my name was available to all on the Internet - IRD, potential and future employers, Police, the media and anyone else who would seek to use that truth against me.

You have no idea what shape or form the government will take in the future and when or where information will be used by a dictator (or what ever) against you. It's not paranoia - but prudent avoidance.

A huge amount of my medical history is available on the Internet. Google is a powerful tool. I don't want future employment prejudiced because I made it easy for the employer to join the dots.

When young we all did some stupid shit. We all grow up. In your previous world old man these things usually got buried. Thanks to the Internet what you say or do will be recorded for a very loooong time.

You may notice I don't advertise the bikes I own either.
At least 2 people on here have had insurance claims denied due to posts on here, irrespective of the truth of the situation.
Anonymity may help should I find myself in a similar situation. Again prudent avoidance - it's happened twice that I know of.

Now sure you may disagree with most or all of that, but in short stiff shit. That is the way it is, get used to it and move on, because it isn't changing just for you.

What I object to is not the ''level'' of what you have intimated so much. Its the downright nasty stuff that happens where you think if the guy has the courage of his convictions he should own up directly to who he is.
When someone phones me and doesnt say who it is ( or there is no etiquette of greeting ) then yes, I also find that rude. Maybe thats old fashioned but we do seem to be less well mannered than several decades ago.
That has been evident in several post on this thread.

[MadDuck]

Hampton Downs will be a case in point. It has so many corners and elevation changes that it will require LOTs of corner marshals. Where will they all come from and how will the cost be shared? I hear all the time grizzling about entry fees.

Perhaps the organisers could approach an "evil" website full of motorcycle enthusiasts for volunteers.

As for the anonymity issue raised... I dont hide who I am.

[Robert Taylor]

Perhaps the organisers could approach an "evil" website full of motorcycle enthusiasts for volunteers.

As for the anonymity issue raised... I dont hide who I am.

There is an ''evil'' element if you like, but they give the many good people who frequent this forum a bad name. And I think most will have interpreted my comments about anonymity as nothing more ''sinister'' or deriding than what I clarified in my immediate last post. The Stranger also made fair points.

So whats the solution for adequate marshal numbers at a circuit like Hampton Downs?

[MadDuck]

So whats the solution for adequate marshal numbers at a circuit like Hampton Downs?

To be honest I really dont know the answer to that because it will be a circuit (like you say) requiring large numbers of marshalls.

Is it best the organisers start asking for ideas and volunteers sooner rather than later before we suddenly get to "there is racing next week need volunteers" ?

[The Stranger:Me]

There is an ''evil'' element if you like, but they give the many good people who frequent this forum a bad name. And I think most will have interpreted my comments about anonymity as nothing more ''sinister'' or deriding than what I clarified in my immediate last post.

Which of course brings us nicely back to the root of the issue.

Perception.

All I heard (repeatedly may I add) was "I am the way, the truth and the light because I occupy the moral high ground and there is no room for any of you anonymous people up here" personally I dispute this position, hence my reply. Your perception of your position as set out above was somewhat different obviously.

We get these misunderstandings with the written word.

It is your perception of (we'll say perhaps) jrandom's style of writing that you have chosen (as it is a choice) to be offended by. You could of course consider an alternate perception, choose not to be offended and instead consider the comments objectively. Evil is an emotive reaction and not objective.

In short. Lighten up dude.

[SixPackBack]

To be honest I really dont know the answer to that because it will be a circuit (like you say) requiring large numbers of marshalls.

Is it best the organisers start asking for ideas and volunteers sooner rather than later before we suddenly get to "there is racing next week need volunteers" ?

There never seems to be enough! I receive begging E-mails constantly close to two years after performing Marshalling duties, mostly these are last minute panic attempts to cover constant short falls........very few of us can afford the time and money required to Marshall.

You have to question the safety aspect of continually being low on volunteers and suffering high turn over!?....and question if perhaps another method of attracting and keeping semi-professional Marshall's needs to be instigated?...clearly limping from event to event in a constant state of crisis defies logic, yet we continue with 'bring a plate' mindset and 'fingers crossed'. Why is a broken system allowed to continue infinitum?

[FROSTY:Me]

Something perhaps to concider robert is the very feedback Clivorus has given above.
I know for FACT that last time I raced at Pukie - (12 months ago) a fair number of marshalls were enlisted DIRECTLY via this very website.

[cowpoos]

A foolish man may be known by six things:

Anger without cause, speech without profit, change without progress, inquiry without object, putting trust in a stranger, and mistaking foes for friends.

[Shaun]

RT Asked

So whats the solution for adequate marshal numbers at a circuit like Hampton Downs?


PD crews! Tax payer goverment funded people

They can earn there bloody lunch for the tax payers, there is a prison very near buy the track, and prison is a place where WE are supposed to be helping people grow up and get a better life, perhaps the fun and challenge of being involved in motor sport might help change a few?

[Gremlin]

To be honest I really dont know the answer to that because it will be a circuit (like you say) requiring large numbers of marshalls.

Is it best the organisers start asking for ideas and volunteers sooner rather than later before we suddenly get to "there is racing next week need volunteers" ?

There has been quite a number of newer marshals come through recently, which are being placed with the more experienced ones, showing them the ropes, getting them used to radios etc. Yep, Hampton Downs will need more marshals, but I believe the track rental costs are high, so it won't be used for every club meet, and perhaps only the nationals next year... not sure.

Most of the AMCC meet dates were laid out prior to the commencement of the season via marshal email. Only Paeroa and March Nationals were not confirmed initially, so technically, there was a fair bit of advance notice given. When I got the email, I chucked the dates into my calendar.

There never seems to be enough! I receive begging E-mails constantly close to two years after performing Marshalling duties, mostly these are last minute panic attempts to cover constant short falls........very few of us can afford the time and money required to Marshall.

Well, to a degree, you can never have enough marshals. There is a bare minimum needed to safely cover the track (number varies depending on event), but if you have more, you can simply place more on each point. By the way, if you don't want the marshal emails, just ask Angela to remove you from the list?

I know for FACT that last time I raced at Pukie - (12 months ago) a fair number of marshalls were enlisted DIRECTLY via this very website.

I'm one

[GSVR]

So whats the solution for adequate marshal numbers at a circuit like Hampton Downs?

Well for years racing was timed by employing people with stopwatchs and counting laps then transponders came along. I would put it to you that eventually we shall see automated mashalling systems that could work by detecting anomalies on and about the track that could be brought to the attention of the race controllers (plural) or just attended to by a Robomarshal.

Im surprised race tracks don't already have a centrally controlled light system for full course red situations rather radio handsets and flags.

Could be like traffic lights on each corner Red flashing, Orange flashing, and Green for all OK.

[Billy]

Well for years racing was timed by employing people with stopwatchs and counting laps then transponders came along. I would put it to you that eventually we shall see automated mashalling systems that could work by detecting anomalies on and about the track that could be brought to the attention of the race controllers (plural) or just attended to by a Robomarshal.

Im surprised race tracks don't already have a centrally controlled light system for full course red situations rather radio handsets and flags.

Could be like traffic lights on each corner Red flashing, Orange flashing, and Green for all OK.

Manfeild already has a light system in place but the Motorcycle clubs choose not to use it,Not sure how advanced it is but I know it has Orange/Red lights atleast

[Shaun]

Now there is an idea fresh outta the box!

Now all it neads is an OFFICUAL type person to start looking into it!!! Poke prod nudge nudge

I am sure the Ambo at the front door will get there attention

[Tony.OK]

Now all it neads is an OFFICUAL type person to start looking into it!!! Poke prod nudge nudge

I am sure the Ambo at the front door will get there attention

Sure as hell will stop alot of accidents at the track.............who wants to have their helmet and boots stolen while laying in pain