4 years for tagger killer

[Street Gerbil]

Can't think of a better illustration to my favorite maxim that a belt applied to hind quarters at 5 saves from gallows at 20. Right sentence applied to a wrong person. His mom must be punished for birthing a child and not raising him as a human being.

[Beemer]

I see that the sister is in the paper this morning.

"I just sit around getting drunk and stoned now Ive dropped out of school" - thats in the victim impact statement.

Since she's under age - the cops should be knocking on her door and doing her for possession, and under age drinking.

The mother had been quoted previously as saying she had tried to get help for her wayward son (Pihema) and yet now she is obviously allowing her daughter to play truant and drink and use drugs - is this yet another way she shows support for her 'wonderful' family?

I can't think of a more inappropriate way of 'honouring' her brother's death.

What's the bet they will all use this as an excuse to drop out of society (if they were ever a part of it in the first place - bet the ones who were old enough to work didn't anyway), sit on their arses and put their hands out for a benefit?

[JimO]

Yeh I guess dealing with kids like him on a day to day basis and not thumping my chest and raving like some backward hick about how they all deserve to die makes me pretty soft compared to all the death penalty proponents on here. The kid was a stupid drunken idiot and deserved a good whack, not a knife to the chest. Imagine the outcry if some dairy owner chased down and stabbed to death a white middle class kid who stole a bag of chips?

I last gave out a ticket some 3 years ago, my job is and has been for the past 6 years on the frontline locking people up, it just happens that when you do that for any length of time and see the environment the kids of crims grow up in that things aren't always as black and white as they seem on the outside.

it could have just as easily gone the other way with the two crims kicking Emery to death, its happened before and it will happen again

[Dave Lobster]

it could have just as easily gone the other way with the two crims kicking Emery to death, its happened before and it will happen again

I can imagine the headline now.. two natives kick white pig to death for stopping them expressing themselves.
Two days later it would all have been forgotten.

[Lias]

It should be non surprise to anyone who pays attention to my rantings that I'm firmly in the "give him a medal" camp on this one.

It wouldnt surprise me to find myself in his shoes one day. Until NZ becomes a civilized country and introduces castle laws, I will break the law if I find people commiting crimes against my property or my family.

And fuck a steak knife I keep a bloody great machete around, and if I catch some cunt tagging or trying to break into my house they are going to find themselves missing various appendages in short order.

[Lias]

Firstly nobody should die for tagging.
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Says you.

I say kill the fuckers.

[Skyryder]

I see the Sensible Sentencing Trust wanted this 'killer' to get home detention.

I once had some sympathy for these guys. Not any more.

Skyryder

[98tls]

I see the Sensible Sentencing Trust wanted this 'killer' to get home detention.

I once had some sympathy for these guys. Not any more.

Skyryder

It seems home detention is reserved for 5+ drink drivers,that way they still have access to cheap piss and can go on to murder someone whilst still under supervision.

[davereid]

It wouldnt surprise me to find myself in his shoes one day. Until NZ becomes a civilized country and introduces castle laws, I will break the law if I find people commiting crimes against my property or my family.

I won't ever be in his shoes.

If I discover someone destroying my property or attacking my family for the hundredth time, and they attack me intending to kill me, I won't call the police.

They never came the other 99 times.

I'll take the offender fishing.

After all, they are underpriviledged. The dole didn't give mum enough money, and even with free state housing, free medical, free dental, free Plunket, free Kindy, and free schools, they never had a chance. Dad, if they knew him never took them for a walk down the beach, to the footy, camping, or helped them build a hut.

But me, I'll take them fishing. They make good burley.

[Patrick]

He killed a skinny 16 year old kid who had a shit childhood, with no father figure and a mum forced to work overseas to support them, brought up in a no hope street with no hope friends with none of the opportunities those who celebrate his death had. You really think Emery's that much of a hero for picking up a knife, chasing down a kid like that and stabbing them to death all for the heinous crime of drawing on his fence?

You forgot that old time goodie... "he wasn't breast fed as a baby..."

BOLLOCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This kid, along with all the others, CHOSE which path to take.

Shit... my parents were chronic alcoholics, (meths drinking for one). I was brought up in west Auckland and played with the south Auckland kids of my dads mates....

Oportunities? What are they?

I made mine. That kid ignored his.

50 year old fat guy chases down a fit healthy 16 year old in 400 metres? Shit, he IS good....

Erm - seems like a fair result - no ones happy!

Can't please all of the people...................

:...A while back elderly relatives were harassed by "juvenile" taggers painting fairly nasty graffiti. Repeatedly. Police said they could not act after the fact, and could not prevent the fact, and would not take action even when photos given of taggers in the act.

...........

Not so?

I believe "Not so...."

"Could not act after the fact?" Pfft.
"Could not prevent the fact?" Probably not.... Unless there is a cop available to stand next to every fence, building, bridge whatever, everywhere.......
"Would not take action even when photos given of taggers in the act? THAT is simply crap.

Yeh I guess dealing with kids like him on a day to day basis and not thumping my chest and raving like some backward hick about how they all deserve to die makes me pretty soft compared to all the death penalty proponents on here. The kid was a stupid drunken idiot and deserved a good whack, not a knife to the chest. Imagine the outcry if some dairy owner chased down and stabbed to death a white middle class kid who stole a bag of chips?

I last gave out a ticket some 3 years ago, my job is and has been for the past 6 years on the frontline locking people up, it just happens that when you do that for any length of time and see the environment the kids of crims grow up in that things aren't always as black and white as they seem on the outside.

See above. its all about choices. Both made bad choices.

I see that the sister is in the paper this morning.

"I just sit around getting drunk and stoned now Ive dropped out of school" - thats in the victim impact statement.

Since she's under age - the cops should be knocking on her door and doing her for possession, and under age drinking.

Nah... now she has an actual excuse to use for her shit behaviour. Probably was already getting drunk and stoned regularly and was going to drop out of school. This just made it easier for her. Poor wee poppit..... She'll be right. She will be on the benefit soon.

If I discover someone destroying my property or attacking my family for the hundredth time, and they attack me intending to kill me, I won't call the police.

They never came the other 99 times.

You must live in a shit area. 199 crimes in how long? I would move.

One would not make good burley if fresh.... However, if there were dozens of em, dropped into the same spot, you could make your own temporary reef.... Fishies like reefs.....

[SPman]

He was protecting his property

Bullshit, he was 200 m down the road from his property, with a weapon in his hand, actively pursuing someone. After he stabbed the guy he slunk off home, washed the knife and tried to pretend it never happened! Tagging is a real piss off, but it's not something any rational adult should kill someone for!

A 12 year old gets 7 years for participating in someone being hit with a baseball bat, but when an adult stabs and kills a 15 year old they only get 4 years and 3 months!
Something seriously fucked up there!

[Patrick]

Bullshit, he was 200 m down the road from his property, with a weapon in his hand, actively pursuing someone. After he stabbed the guy he slunk off home, washed the knife and tried to pretend it never happened! Tagging is a real piss off, but it's not something any rational adult should kill someone for!

A 12 year old gets 7 years for participating in someone being hit with a baseball bat, but when an adult stabs and kills a 15 year old they only get 4 years and 3 months!
Something seriously fucked up there!

Fair call... but he never intended to harm.

Grabbed a knife for protection? Yep.

"They turned on him" Yep - (how else would a fat 50 year old catch Two fit and healthy teens)

If he had, instead helped the kid, called for help and presented the used knife instead of going home, washing it and hiding(??) it, he would probably have convinced a jury that the kid did walk onto the knife.

A fair result, all in all.

I too wonder what became of the 2nd kid tagger.....

[Finn]

I too wonder what became of the 2nd kid tagger.....

Standby... shouldn't take too long now...

[Patrick]

Standby... shouldn't take too long now...

"Headline news story, coming to you soon?" type of thing, is my guess too....

[rottiguy]

I think it was a mistake for him to take a knife out, I would have taken a bat ( actually have a pick handle that would do nicely ) and just broken a few of the little shits bones.