How do we ban gangs?

[firefighter]

With a gun or my penis?

again, use your own discretion (sp) here, although I don't imagine you'd get away with the later.......

[Madness]

Work to remedy the social problems that result in disenfrachised young people thinking that a gang is the only way they can stay safe and be a part of something.

You haven't been here long have you?.

Here is the next big Gang in N.Z. Apparently they're bigger than Hells Angels overseas.

[Mikkel]

What about re-instating Hitler's solution?

Nah, the NZ infrastructure isn't quite up to that task at the moment.

[ManDownUnder]

Ask what need they fill - then fill it before the gangs do. (phychobabble warning)

Everyone has a need to belong somewhere. The most attractive option is usually taken (assuming people have any choices and or brains) and for those not fitting anywhere else... structured organisations fill that need. Gangs are one such organisation.

What was missing from the life of gang members that the gang now supplies? THAT is what we need to deliver on as a society. Once that's done, gangs become irrelevant

[Madness]

What was missing from the life of gang members that the gang now supplies? THAT is what we need to deliver on as a society. Once that's done, gangs become irrelevant

So you want to hand out free P at High Schools to prospective prospects?.

[peasea]

Ask what need they fill - then fill it before the gangs do. (phychobabble warning)

Everyone has a need to belong somewhere. The most attractive option is usually taken (assuming people have any choices and or brains) and for those not fitting anywhere else... structured organisations fill that need. Gangs are one such organisation.

What was missing from the life of gang members that the gang now supplies? THAT is what we need to deliver on as a society. Once that's done, gangs become irrelevant

Brainpower?

[Mikkel]

So you want to hand out free P at High Schools to prospective prospects?.

No, but a drug policy founded upon reason instead of ignorance and punishment would go a long way to render organised crime "obsolete".

[vifferman]

have you had a change of occupation? Whats wrong with burning down their "headquarters"?

*snortle*
Years ago, one of the gang HQs in the industrial area of Rotorua was flattened when some naughty person stole a large loader from a few doors down and drove it through the HQ's fortifications. Oops, and all that....

Here's an idea. These gangs like fighting, and biffo, and all that.
We could round up gang members from opposing gangs, drop them somewhere remote (White Island would be ideal), supply 'em with weapons, and leave them to it. After a month or so, the winners go to the next round: fighting NZ's premier gang: the Army.

[ManDownUnder]

Brainpower?

To be valued, respected, and belong. My personal view is that the lack of these three things with our children is what breeds gangsters. They're not respected at home - so they go elsewhere where they CAN earn it. Or they go to prison - where they CAN earn it.

[peasea]

To be valued, respected, and belong. My personal view is that the lack of these three things with our children is what breed gangsters. They're not respected at jhome - so they go elsewhere where they CAN earn it. Or they go to prison - where they CAN earn it.

I was extracting the urine.

As it happens a bloke I know did his masters on the subject and I have a copy of his amazing 53,000-word thesis. He accessed a few of the 'heavier' gangs in NZ and obtained an insight that few 'outsiders' would be privy to. Some of it makes heavy/interesting reading but it was sadly rejected by TVNZ for making into a doco.

[ManDownUnder]

I was extracting the urine.

As it happens a bloke I know did his masters on the subject and I have a copy of his amazing 53,000-word thesis. He accessed a few of the 'heavier' gangs in NZ and obtained an insight that few 'outsiders' would be privy to. Some of it makes heavy/interesting reading but it was sadly rejected by TVNZ for making into a doco.

Sounds like we're on the same page - all good.

Sorry - tis a subject I personally take pretty seriously - maybe I bit a little hard... but I'm offering no retraction

[peasea]

Sounds like we're on the same page - all good.

Sorry - tis a subject I personally take pretty seriously - maybe I bit a little hard... but I'm offering no retraction

I wasn't aware you'd lost traction but fine by me.

Have some traction.....

[Slyer]

One more for the "notorious felon" idea.
3 strikes works too.
I like the idea of repeat offenders being worse and worse off the more times they offend, it should double.
If the sentence for armed robbery is 5 years the next sentence should be 10 years.

Still not sure where I stand on capital punishment, I think we need to come up with a form of exile.

[davereid]

A very good start would be to reintroduce the old concept of "notorious felon". Basically this enables a judge to say "You are one bad troublemaking cunt. Henceforth you are classed as a notorious felon"

Those so classed are automatically prohibited from consorting. And the police need no search warrant to search a property or vehicle belonging to a notorious felon, or one used or habituated by one. Or to intercept their phone calls or mail, or search their bank accounts. Nor may a NF be a director of a company. And a raft of other restrictions.

And a condition of every bail and parole is that the person may not consort with any notorious felon.

That would very quickly cut them down to size. There are no civil liberty issues in this (and if I say so you may believe it). A person is only declared a NF when they been found guilty of repeated serious crimes. So they have no right to expect the same liberty as an honest man.

Ix, pretty clearly I am (rabidly ?) on the side of freedom and liberty. Yet here, I see no problem.

Our government seems intent on passing laws that reduce the freedom, privacy and liberty of all New Zealanders.

Yet we dont need that. All we need to do is properly address the 0.5% of us that are criminal.

I don't see any problem at all with the NF idea, indeed it has my full support.

[DELLORTO]

You haven't been here long have you?.

Here is the next big Gang in N.Z. Apparently they're bigger than Hells Angels overseas.

id just shoot them in the legs for saying their a gang.......