Bikers getting pulled over at Battle Hill & Featherston (15 February)

[Renegade]

personally i think the stopping and feeding of riders in exchange for a survey and general chat about your biking is a great road safety idea.

i know they do it for truckies all the time, gives them a 30min required break and a feed, especially considering that the taupo area has one of the highest fatallity rates in the country and that 25% of fatal crashes in taupo area involve trucks, not to mention the 5 fatal bike crashes in the area in the last six months that i can recall (none involved trucks).

if a little research into what concerns riders on the road, leads to a change in other drivers/riders behaviour resulting in safer roads and less rider fatallitys then im all for it.

[SARGE]

That's easy: Not stopping to help other motorcyclists who have found their motorcycle to be inoperable.

and not waving...

[ManDownUnder]

Surely they will more than likely have a cellphone.

So they could ring for a lift... and wait however long while it gets there... or you could pull over and offer 'em one... while they have all their gear handy...

[Fatjim]

personally i think the stopping and feeding of riders in exchange for a survey and general chat about your biking is a great road safety idea.

i know they do it for truckies all the time, gives them a 30min required break and a feed, especially considering that the taupo area has one of the highest fatallity rates in the country and that 25% of fatal crashes in taupo area involve trucks, not to mention the 5 fatal bike crashes in the area in the last six months that i can recall (none involved trucks).

Not very renegadie of you. Maybe you should change your name to sensible_old_man or something.

Anyway, why would I need a 30 min break. I've just got my tyres nice and hot from coming over the hill. I ate my pie 10 minutes ago and I'm looking forward to topping out on the east-west road. And I'm certainly no where near toopaw or what ever its called now.

I feel like I just wasted my breath.

[Patrick]

Flossi was talking about unlicensed Wairarapa based riders trying to avoid going through the license process from Learners through Restricted and on to Full because they'd never bothered to do it as naughty gang members in the 60s, 70s and 80s.

I was suggesting a common sense approach to getting these guys a license. If they can ride well enough to pass the 6F license test and pass the theory then why not? If they can't then they need to start from the beginning.

Pfft. Lawbreakers....

If it is good enough for me, an upholder of the law for years now... it sure as hell is good enough for them to pull finger and get the learners, then the restricted, then the full bike licence, just like I had to do. But hey, if there was a shortcut, I'd have been in....

[Ixion]

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if a little research into what concerns riders on the road, leads to a change in other drivers/riders behaviour resulting in safer roads and less rider fatallitys then im all for it.

You do not understand the way that Government departments work

In the rest of the world, you would be correct. There, a survey is to gather information. The information gathered is analysed, and from that conclusions are reached. Those are then tested , and if they hold up, chnages are implemented

But in government departments it works the other way round. The changes to be made are decided on, the conclusions necessary to justify those changes , to the Minister or the public, are worked out, and then the survey is used to gather data which, after any necessary adjustments , will appear to justify the conclusions.

Here, the ACC are not gathering data to try to make things safer. They already have some scheme in mind, you may be sure of that. And the only purpose the survey will have is to allow them to say, as the binary gentleman has indicated, "95% of motorcyclists themselves agree that [sportsbikes] are dangerous and unsafe, and should be [banned]" (replace [sportsbikes] and [banned] with older riders, speed limited or whatever it is they are plotting)

[sunhuntin]

just an addition to my comment on loose seal.

theres a corner on a dead end road that has been badly potholed for months now [i posted about it a while back. has a stock feed factory and has many trucks and trailers coming and going all day, every day] i go up there this morning on the bike. i come around a corner, and see a 30k sign. finally, they are resealing. it wasnt until i was on top of the corner that i noticed all the loose seal, right through the corner. no warning signs at all on that side of the works. however, coming out again, there is a loose seal sign. wrong place considering youve already ridden over it to get into the road in the first place.

do they have to have loose seal signs alongside the 30k and other road working signs? would have been nice to have a bit more warning.

[riffer]

You do not understand the way that Government departments work

In the rest of the world, you would be correct. There, a survey is to gather information. The information gathered is analysed, and from that conclusions are reached. Those are then tested , and if they hold up, chnages are implemented

But in government departments it works the other way round. The changes to be made are decided on, the conclusions necessary to justify those changes , to the Minister or the public, are worked out, and then the survey is used to gather data which, after any necessary adjustments , will appear to justify the conclusions.

Here, the ACC are not gathering data to try to make things safer. They already have some scheme in mind, you may be sure of that. And the only purpose the survey will have is to allow them to say, as the binary gentleman has indicated, "95% of motorcyclists themselves agree that [sportsbikes] are dangerous and unsafe, and should be [banned]" (replace [sportsbikes] and [banned] with older riders, speed limited or whatever it is they are plotting)

Yeah Right. Name one country in the world where motorcycling has been banned.

[riffer]

do they have to have loose seal signs alongside the 30k and other road working signs? would have been nice to have a bit more warning.

This is New Zealand. You should be anticipating it.

[Ixion]

Yeah Right. Name one country in the world where motorcycling has been banned.

I think that i could, if I went and looked, name you quite a lot where sportsbikes, or bikes larger than a certain capacity have been banned.

I can say from my own knowledge that in China motorcycles are not allowed on the motorways.

[riffer]

I think that i could, if I went and looked, name you quite a lot where sportsbikes, or bikes larger than a certain capacity have been banned.

I can say from my own knowledge that in China motorcycles are not allowed on the motorways.

Probably because they can't reach the speed limit, seeing as how they've got twenty-five chinamen and thirty-dozen chickens strapped to a Cub50 clone.

I'm not talking about ccs though - name one country that's blanket banned bikes.

And another thing - they'd be more likely to ban fast cars first.

[Madness]

How many other countries have banned smacking your own kids?.

I'd be suprised if our Gubbermint banned bikes, they'd more likely tax bike ownership beyond the affordability of most first.

[Ixion]

Yeah Right. Name one country in the world where motorcycling has been banned.

Try http://www.wayodd.com/philippine-law...ghways/v/8708/


Motorcycles are banned completely in Beirut and Ghangzhou.

Pillions are banned in Pakistan

[Ixion]

Probably because they can't reach the speed limit, seeing as how they've got twenty-five chinamen and thirty-dozen chickens strapped to a Cub50 clone.

I'm not talking about ccs though - name one country that's blanket banned bikes.

And another thing - they'd be more likely to ban fast cars first.

You seem to be setting up a strawman. My original post specifically mentioned [sportsbikes] as a possible subject for intervention. That would be perfectly possible. "From X date no motorcycle of > Y cc, or Z bhp may be imported". Done.

You can still have a motorcycle. Or a scooter. Up to 400cc maybe.

[Big Dave]