Farmer walks free after killing gang member

**Fatjim** · 21st February 2009, 16:00

Originally Posted by Indiana_Jones

Fire one into him, then a warning shot.

-Indy

Get the missus to fire one into him then mysteriously arrive home 5 minutes later. No court in this fair land will imprison a woman for shooting a home invader with half a good story.

**Ixion** · 21st February 2009, 17:08

Originally Posted by Fatjim

I'm guessing you don't have a firearms license as you appear to not know that you cannot legally use a firearm under any circumstances to defend yourself in NZ.
And if you don't have a firearms license, and you're not the owner of the gun ("firearm available" rather than "I own a gun"), then the owner of the gun is going to be in a whole pile of shit if you point that thing at anybody.

I do not think that can be correct. For one thing there is the precedent of the gun shop guy, who did just that. And an earlier case in Panmure when a local resident shot a prowler who attacked him. Probably others, those I know of.

**Grizzo** · 21st February 2009, 17:14

Originally Posted by Tank

Best news in the paper today:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10557174

Yeah bloody good shit!

**gammaguy** · 21st February 2009, 18:30

Originally Posted by Fatjim

I'm guessing you don't have a firearms license as you appear to not know that you cannot legally use a firearm under any circumstances to defend yourself in NZ.
And if you don't have a firearms license, and you're not the owner of the gun ("firearm available" rather than "I own a gun"), then the owner of the gun is going to be in a whole pile of shit if you point that thing at anybody.

like you said,you are guessing.

and i would rather be in a pile of shit than six feet under one

**munster** · 21st February 2009, 18:50

Originally Posted by gammaguy

i would rather be in a pile of shit than six feet under one

Amen to that!

When I renewed my firearms license I got asked the 'usual' question, 'would you ever use firearms in self defence?'

I answered (and honest to God, this was my answer), 'Yes, if the circumstances required it, but in all reality, it would take too long to retrieve my firearms from their legally required secure storage, that is what I keep the cricket bat & hockey stick under the bed for'

I got it renewed, no worrries.

**Swoop** · 21st February 2009, 18:51

Originally Posted by Ixion

And an earlier case in Panmure when a local resident shot a prowler who attacked him.

The video casette case??

**gammaguy** · 21st February 2009, 19:00

one thing i have learned

in life we never know what we are capable of until we have to be.i almost drowned once,when i was younger,but survived by swimming the length of the boat underwater to come up beside the sail,which was lying over the water and preventing me reaching air.

if anyone told me to do it at any other time,i would have laughed at them,i am not an olympic swimmer by any means.

it taught me something:dont underestimate what you are capable of,you might surprise yourself.

if i was faced with a violent death at the hands of someone else,i know exactly how far i would go to save myself or the people dear to me.

hopefully it will never happen,but i can assure you the firearms laws and legislation would be the last thing on my mind.

its all about surviving.

**munster** · 21st February 2009, 19:13

Originally Posted by gammaguy

its all about surviving.

Totally agree 100%. I have had this discussion with plenty of friends and although we can all talk the talk, the test is when it happens for real, and none of us have so far had the oppurtunity. So it's still all talk!

**3umph** · 21st February 2009, 19:15

Originally Posted by munster

Totally agree 100%. I have had this discussion with plenty of friends and although we can all talk the talk, the test is when it happens for real, and none of us have so far had the oppurtunity. So it's still all talk!

too true... easy to talk the talk but when it come to walk the walk it can be a totally different matter

**Ixion** · 21st February 2009, 20:50

Originally Posted by Swoop

The video casette case??

Yes, that one.

**Indiana_Jones** · 21st February 2009, 21:21

They won't give a firearms licence if that's the only reason you wish to own one.

But as it's been said above, I wouldn't hesitate to shoot some low life dick trying to hurt me or my mrs.

-Indy

**Fatjim** · 21st February 2009, 22:17

Originally Posted by Ixion

I do not think that can be correct. For one thing there is the precedent of the gun shop guy, who did just that. And an earlier case in Panmure when a local resident shot a prowler who attacked him. Probably others, those I know of.

As Munster said, when you get or renew a firearms license they ask you this question, and the only answer that stops you not getting your license is no, I would not use a firearm in self defence. Thats the law.

However, when you are in front of 12 of your peers and they ask themselves what a reasonable person would do in that situation and the only answer they can come up with is "use the gun" then you are likely to get off.

**Brett** · 21st February 2009, 22:50

Awesome news, I just hope that this becomes more the natural outcome in these sorts of cases. It is just really sad that the guy had to spend a 'lengthly period in custody to begin with.

**fire eyes** · 22nd February 2009, 09:16

Can't fault the guy for self defence in that situation. Gang associate or not. What a scary thing to have to go through.

Don't be fooled by the term 'gang assosiate' though.

I have friends who used to babysit kids who grew up and chose to become gang members .. my friends are considered 'gang associates' for simply wiping thier arses. Funny ol world.