Wednesday Evening Cruises 2008-09

[gammaguy]

Yeah when I saw the plate (and i would like to buy from who has it) I liked it to...

Going to one destination week in week out... how fu#*&n boring even if it is balls out...

i totally agree.im lucky i live on banks peninsula,i get to ride the hills every day.

i get kinda bored with the ride to duvauchelle even though its a great road.i do it from time to time,usually end up in Akaroa.

I enjoy the wednesday rides mainly for the chat and catching up with friends,dont really care where we go.

i would draw the line at ashburton though

[phoenixgtr]

Dangerous - I don't know what you've been told, but I already said what happened on Weds, as has Rik and others. It had nothing to do with anyone getting bored behind Dave.

As for it being a newbie ride, sure thats part of the reason these rides started, but they were also (and more predominantly) started for the social aspect. You don't have to be a learner to want to go for a ride and chat with like minded people.

Steve - Myself, Liv and others have said that we have no problem with what you do. Go off to Duvauchelles every week, thats cool. But you chose to split because you didn't like the way things have changed, so stop trying to piss all over what we're doing. And for the record, alot of people are happy with the way things have been changed.

[JMemonic]

1) Thanks for showing how you feel about the people you ride with - this goes some way to explain why you treat them like children.

Do I treat them like children, hmm no one else has complained, and attitudes have shown in the past that common sense is uncommon, these are a semi organised ride, with set routes and regroup points, what is is you object to so badly?

2) You don't listen do you? I will not give advice to strangers, I am not a riding instructor nor do I have any intension of pretending to be one. I enjoy riding, that is why I do it.

Nope have got that loud and clear hence my post, I feel you would have a lot to offer, you decry those who are willing to assist why?

These Wed rides used to be relaxed and enjoyable, a couple of one off acco's happen and a few take it apon them selves to take knee jerk reactions and impose a whole lot of rules on others.

Actually the rules were mostly in place to start with, just they are a little more formalised now they are simple, we have a leader who is responsible for setting the pace (if we followed the ideas in the road code that would actually be the least experienced rider), and ensuring that we all meet at the regroup points, and a set TEC, these are announce at the start of the ride, what is so difficult about that?

Just for the record had we done WOF checks as you implied will be the next thing, (and for the record as far as I know this idea has not been proposed), one of those accidents may not have occurred, hence my disbelief in common sense, that bike should not have been on the road.

A few (i.e. myself and a few others) can't be arsed with them and break off on our own ride and now it is implied that we are 'racing' and 'dangerous' and only fast people should come with us.

Where have I or any of the others said that you are racing and dangerous? I have said at the start of a ride that Duvauchelle's will likely be a faster ride but in no way implied or stated dangerous

Well lets clear something up. The Duovocells ride is very much still a product of the wed ride, it was formed by people that don't want to put up with the bullshit that has tainted the 'main' ride. Anyone can join us, it is not for the fast and stupid as you seem to believe, it is mearly an alternative for like minded people irrelevant of what you ride or how you ride it.

And an alternative is as far as I understand it what it has been considered, see above for my comments on fast and stupid

And for the record - I am long passed caring what you or any others think of me, I don't plan on changing for anyone. I am who I am, love me, hate me or somewhere in between, I don't really care either way.

No one that I can see is really asking you to, personally I don't give a flying what anyone thinks of me, the only reason I have stepped up and been the herald for these nights is because when the folks who originally proposed them attempted to speak no bastard would shut up and listen, I have a loud voice, so I used it, I however am approachable and willing to chat, take on board ideas etc.

You seem to have this idea that some folks are trying to curb your enjoyment, this is not the case, we are trying to make this fun for all and slightly safer, if you don't object to that and have other ideas on how this can be achieved put it forward.

[JMemonic]

na, come on... Stevo has some good points, but thats only and only cos the rides advertised as a all in relaxed ride.
The problem is everyone has a different opion of what relaxed is... so, IMHO to avoid any confusion it should be promoted as a newbes ride, after all thay are who the leaders are aiming the ride at, and it seems anyone with more knolage/abilty and or horse power is frowned upon.

Come on D you know that the horsepower or knowledge thing is not true, hell neither of those are issues, its still a fairly relaxed ride, I am not sure how other groups do it, but the leader, TEC and route including regroup points are the only organised things about the ride. At the end of the day it still just a social event, its not like we have set seating positions at the table etc, turn up and ride, the only person you don't pass is the leader, that way everyone gets to the right place.

Dave did get a bit carried away with his actions (reguarding the crazy girls and their followers Lemans) specially when he was seen along with two others nailing it, which is all fine but when ya have riders like HOT and LilM whom have the ability to ride quicker, you cant expect them to over heat behind a zxr250.

I cant comment on that as I am unaware of the details, Dave tends to set a reasonable pace, trust Lemans to follow two crazy girls though

[dangerous]

Come on D you know that the horsepower or knowledge thing is not true, hell neither of those are issues, its still a fairly relaxed ride, I am not sure how other groups do it, but the leader, TEC and route including regroup points are the only organised things about the ride. At the end of the day it still just a social event, its not like we have set seating positions at the table etc, turn up and ride, the only person you don't pass is the leader, that way everyone gets to the right place.

Agreed,
however such rules like staying between to given riders would not have helped the serious acco on the last ride I atended, shit can and will go down in the mid pack too, perhaps saying "anyone that rides on ahead will no longer be considered as riding withen the event" thus any issues they may have up the road the ride organiser can not be held responsable to... just an idea.

Dangerous - I don't know what you've been told, but I already said what happened on Weds, as has Rik and others. It had nothing to do with anyone getting bored behind Dave.

yeah I know.. sorry I was more refering to future rides, were riders might shoot of ahead.

[laRIKin]

Dave did get a bit carried away with his actions (reguarding the crazy girls and their followers Lemans)

You are so wrong here mate.

I did not get told off at all and not sure where you get the idea that I did.

I just got a PM asking what happened and that's all.

And I think it was the right thing to do to find out what happened and why we left early and did not wait for the rest of the group.

Simple really, a group of riders that I/we thought were the tail end group pulled up and stopped and looked like they were waiting for us to leave, so we did.
Well that is what I though was happening.

We were wrong as there was still another group of riders to come.

Shit happens in big group rides and that is why you have a TEC that knows where to go and to make sure that if this does happen the last group still gets to where they should and know one gets lost or left behind.

If anyone on a ride thinks that they may not know where to go and has lost sight of the rider in front just stop before a turn off.
And wait for the rear guard to catch up and finish the ride with them.

What happened is the TEC worked and every one got to where they wanted to do.
No problem as far as I'm concerned.

I wanted to pull away from the group twice, so I over took and waved to let them know I was OK and was leaving the group.

It's not rocket science.

I can not see why two of you are trying to blow this up bigger than it is.
Or was it a wet day and you are on the troll?

You seem to be concerned about a ride that you do not like or do.

But there are more than a few that do like the way it is being run, right or wrong.
I did not like the way it was and stopped going because I could see crashers happening and they did.

Now that I have done one lately, I do, so will turn up to a few more and help learners out the best I can.

[gloplg]

MMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!! Interesting few pages!! Please pick your toys up and put them back in your cots.

During my time riding with the group there have been two serious accidents. I think the current structure we have in the "main" group allows us the freedom to enjoy the ride with the minimum of "rules". Has there been any accidents since early December??????

The two group structure seems to work rather well. With the "faster" group headed to Duvauchelles and us others going to a number different destinations.

Stop stirring. Enjoy the riding.

Now to the really serious stuff where are we going this week???

[phoenixgtr]

This week we're actually all headed to Duvauchelles.

...Lets home my bike makes it there this time

[Dave-]

Duvauchelles via Dyers (Duvauchelles Pub)

you know the drill, over one hill, back over another, then some flat bitties, then over another hill.

Good spots for regrouping:
1. On Gebbies Pass on the corner next to the Wheatsheaf (B on Google Maps)
2. Little River (C on Google Maps)

Google Maps

[gammaguy]

hmmm

hills are made for 125's

[Northsyde]

Room for a scorpio and a comet? My flatmate and I would love to come along.

[gammaguy]

small bikes rule!!

bring them on!

[cruza]

This week we're actually all headed to Duvauchelles.

woohoo.

fark all the bitching , I'm just out for a social ride. hot or lil'm can pass me any day

Enjoy, day light saving will finish before we know it.

[Dave-]

Room for a scorpio and a comet? My flatmate and I would love to come along.

we just got rid of a scorpio! now there's another one....haha you're more than welcome dude.

[Gareth123]

My 145 is scared of uphills, it doesn't like them at all. Can we do a flat ride? or one thats all downhill, my 145 likes downhill sections!