Embarrassed

**samgab** · 23rd February 2009, 10:08

Originally Posted by Rockbuddy

or you could just show them this website
http://home1.gte.net/res0ak9f/bike.htm

Euuw... Just gets gorier and gorier as you scoll down! The mangled remnants of body parts near the end, wow...

**3umph** · 23rd February 2009, 10:14

Originally Posted by samgab

Euuw... Just gets gorier and gorier as you scoll down! The mangled remnants of body parts near the end, wow...

yip sure does.... show that dude that site

**UberRhys** · 23rd February 2009, 10:14

Originally Posted by snuffles

Was driving to work this morning and passed a guy on a 125 dirt bike, riding at 80 km on the motorway.

No protective gear , just a dirt bike helmet and a pair of shitty old MX gloves.

Just had my usual, thought of " dickhead" and " hope the skin grafts work", then I t dawned on me, this dick head was a relation of mine!!!!!!!!

I will be having a few words with this intelligent chap this evening

How embarassing.

Family - can't live with em, can't live with out em... Most of all you can't tell them a damn thing!

**vgcspares** · 23rd February 2009, 10:30

we live in a democracy - you have a right to an opinion, you have the right to voice your opinion, but only the government has a right to make you listen to theirs ... and even if they don't you can't switch on the TV without getting public service messages staggered across every channel along the lines of:

don't speed,
don't drink,
don't smoke,
don't fight,
don't eat shit,
don't share spit,
don't ... don't ... don't

as most (admittedly not the first one) are blindingly obvious you have to question the % of GDP being wasted on people's salaries pushing these messages - we should be thankful there are others who push them for free (sic)

**Pascal** · 23rd February 2009, 11:38

Do injuries relating from motorcycle accidents contribute to our ACC premium calculations? Or, simpler put, do the expenses incurred by ACC relating to motorcycle accidents contribute to the levy they include in our licensing fees?

If the answer is yes, I can't see why anybody wouldn't be in favour of talking to him nicely

**Max Preload** · 23rd February 2009, 12:02

Originally Posted by Pascal

Do injuries relating from motorcycle accidents contribute to our ACC premium calculations? Or, simpler put, do the expenses incurred by ACC relating to motorcycle accidents contribute to the levy they include in our licensing fees?

If the answer is yes, I can't see why anybody wouldn't be in favour of talking to him nicely

Of course injuries attributable to motorcycles accidents or crashes affects the ACC levy on road registered motorcycles. That's what 'no fault' accident injury insurance is all about! They're not apportioning any blame by increasing the levies for a particular group! That's crazy talk!

**90s** · 23rd February 2009, 12:03

Originally Posted by andy_r

didn't know any better.

Well this is the key isn't it?
Education - then let the person and Darwin sort out whether they want to take the advice or not.

Looking at those websites (and ride2die I'd recommend) and then looking at the cost and options of good gear anyone can do a simple cost-benefit for themselves. There are some that prefer to pay for insurance (ie. gear) and never bin, there are some that choose to save the cash and pay out big in injuries later. Yes its your choice which you decide to be but having someone at least inform you there is a choice and a cost to consider is important.

I was once like a lot of bikers who once "didn't know better", being 17 at the time and indestructible, but now have some (luckily very small) roadrash scars. I can't see the problem of seeing another biker and saying "if you ride in shorts and bin even at low speed the very least injuries you will get will be these - and there are still with you are 20 years" and showing them. In fact I did that last week to a guy I saw parking next to me riding in shorts. (no I was not flashing him

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**Patrick** · 23rd February 2009, 12:15

Originally Posted by spookytooth

Because it is the choice they are more than happy to make and it is their choice

But it is not my choice to pay higher ACC premiums, just so ACC can patch up those who don't give a shit and refuse to try to protect themselves.... Give him a good serve, OP.

**snuffles** · 23rd February 2009, 12:39

Originally Posted by renegade master

Its the riders choice to wear what ever he wants to, sure by all means tell him that you think he needs to be wrapped up in cotton wool, but at the end of the day its his choice. Deal with it.

I agree, but it is also your duty to care.......If you saw your child riding in an unsafe manner, would you also say deal with it, when they kill or maim themself????? if so , you have my undying respect for being the ultimate hard bastard.,

**jim.cox** · 23rd February 2009, 12:49

Originally Posted by snuffles

Was driving to work this morning and passed a guy on a 125 dirt bike

...

How embarassing.

You were DRIVING

He was riding

and you want to lecture him

How well do think thats going go down?

"Let those who ride decide"

**The Pastor** · 23rd February 2009, 13:33

Originally Posted by snuffles

i agree, but it is also your duty to care.......if you saw your child riding in an unsafe manner, would you also say deal with it, when they kill or maim themself????? If so , you have my undying respect for being the ultimate hard bastard.,

moron, a child dose not have the skills to access and judge the situation. A person who rides a motorbike can.

**Patrick** · 23rd February 2009, 14:19

Originally Posted by renegade master

moron, a child dose not have the skills to access and judge the situation. A person who rides a motorbike can.

Best TUI moment in a while, this pearler.....

**Neon** · 23rd February 2009, 14:20

Originally Posted by renegade master

moron, a child dose not have the skills to access and judge the situation. A person who rides a motorbike can.

Hmm. Not so sure about that one. Remember that the legal driving age in this fair country is currently 15. It scares me to even write that down.

So, at age 15 you can legally own and operate a motorcycle on the road. Do you have all the information (or is your brain developed enough) to make the right decisions around riding? Another thread I guess, but the point I think everyone is alluding to is this:

According to the voting public, we wish to live in a society where we retain a reasonable degree of personal responsibility with regard to appropriate safety equipment. Your decision, freedom of choice.

However, in order to make a decision at all you must firstly identify that there is a decision to be made, and only then can you determine if you have the appropriate information to decide.

While I am sure that there is a good proportion of the population who understand the risks and choose not to wear ATGATT, there will also be a significant proportion who do not even consider the presence of risk, and surely it is our duty to provide education.

**The Pastor** · 23rd February 2009, 14:24

Originally Posted by andy_r

hmm. Not so sure about that one. Remember that the legal driving age in this fair country is currently 15. It scares me to even write that down.

so, at age 15 you can legally own and operate a motorcycle on the road. Do you have all the information (or is your brain developed enough) to make the right decisions around riding? Another thread i guess, but the point i think everyone is alluding to is this:

According to the voting public, we wish to live in a society where we retain a reasonable degree of personal responsibility with regard to appropriate safety equipment. Your decision, freedom of choice.

However, in order to make a decision at all you must firstly identify that there is a decision to be made, and only then can you determine if you have the appropriate information to decide.

While i am sure that there is a good proportion of the population who understand the risks and choose not to wear atgatt, there will also be a significant proportion who do not even consider the presence of risk, and surely it is our duty to provide education.

don't care how stupid the person is, he is of the age where he must make the decision for himself.