Originally Posted by andy_r
Not a motorcycle, but a 49cc or less with less the 2KW output moped/scooter can be legally riden on the road if you hold a car learners license. You can sit the scratch test on your 15th birthday
Whip it, whip it good!
Not a motorcycle, but a 49cc or less with less the 2KW output moped/scooter can be legally riden on the road if you hold a car learners license. You can sit the scratch test on your 15th birthday
Tornado Alley
Then the decision should also be, no protective gear, no ACC cover. Sorted.
The 2nd-most bad arse KBer.
no fuck off
Then I could get a Kb Tshirt, move to Timaru and become a full time crossdressing faggot
Any two wheels will do.
What is 'protective gear'?
Herein lies the problem...
Tornado Alley
Oops... my bad. No gear, no ACC... FUCK OFF. Is that better?
Tornado Alley
Helmet, gloves, boots (not jandals), padded jacket (not singlet) padded trou (not stubbies shorts...) that kind of thing...
Ive got a big willy
They are still your child at the age of 20..30..40, sorry if did not explain that at a level you could understand.
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1. I do it on purpose
2. I dont give a shit
3. Tell some one who cares.
Any two wheels will do.
There's really only two ways this can work
1/ Private accident insurance, do whatever the fuck you want with respect to gear. Ride in your undies if you like, it's your body. High medical bills? Goodbye low premiums.
2/ ACC, ok the levies are probably lower but you accept a degree of prescription around what gear you must wear (again, a fucking minefield of standards). Theoretically ACC levies should go down
I don't really have an appetite for either!
Highway Biker
You know, I was reading this thread and it can go two ways.
On the one hand, if somebody has actually read the road-code before getting their learners and actually read the road-code they should know you need protective gear. Common sense should tell them they need protective gear if they wish to avoid abrasion type of injuries, etc. The information was there and it seems this person has chosen not to act upon it, like a large percentage of the scooter riders. That's the riders' decision and he, in my opinion, makes a poor one. But his decision.
On the other hand, you're talking about a family member here. If I was doing something dumb, I'd bloody well ... wait. No. Let me rephrase that. When I am doing something dumb and appear oblivious to the fact I'd bloody well hope a family member would step in to warn me.
Yeah, he's ignored / forgotten something and made a poor decision; but somebody cared enough about him to actually go out there and speak to him about it. That seems like a good thing.
From a wider perspective, we live in a society / community. We have no choice, our day to day lives intersect with that of others. Riders without protective gear represents an increased risk. Net result for other bikers? Higher premiums for ACC. Higher insurance premiums. They affect other members of the community in a negative way.
Again, personal choice. But maybe one that is also made because of a lack of knowledge or forgotten knowledge and maybe a timely reminder from a friend / peer can help save a life and reduce the cost for the rest of us. Then you know he is aware of it whether he was or was not. You can't force him to make the choice, but you can help provide enough information that he can make it whilst fully informed.
Hopefully that all made sense.
The 2nd-most bad arse KBer.
Im all for personal responsability,stuff the cops giving me a ticket because im not wearing the approved helmet brand etc
if i bin and die its my fault no one elses.
But i'll still blame them
Then I could get a Kb Tshirt, move to Timaru and become a full time crossdressing faggot
Ive got a big willy
smacks of a darwinian wish!
Please NOTE: If I offend you with any of my posts or comments, please remember that.
1. I do it on purpose
2. I dont give a shit
3. Tell some one who cares.
Tornado Alley
Who said anything about tickets? Sheesh....
NO gear, no cover... pay the repair bill yourself, not from ACC....
The 2nd-most bad arse KBer.
how do you regulate helmets and seatbelts?
Then I could get a Kb Tshirt, move to Timaru and become a full time crossdressing faggot
Tornado Alley
Was on more about the jandals, singlet and shorts thing. The gravel rash is a bastard with things like those....
The 2nd-most bad arse KBer.
Yes i know, but if you make something a regulation or law, you have to have tickets to go with it.
I hate people who don't know me trying to run my life. Some rules and laws are good - i.e., don't kill people, drugs, drink driving as they all effect other people.
Seat belts and helmets and gear do not effect others and should be 100% up to the person who it concerns.
The argument that ' why should i have to pay for this idiots actions' is flawed in the sense that with the tickets for not having the gear etc acc levies will not come down. Its that simple.
If you look at the statistics of fatal motorcyclist accidents before and after they made helmets compulsory you'd be surprised at the rise in fatal accidents.
Then I could get a Kb Tshirt, move to Timaru and become a full time crossdressing faggot
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