Round 5 of NZ Superbikes may be canned?

[Billy]

Billy

The Postie classes are not national championship classes. As I understand it they are 2 stand alone title events only (TT and GP), one of which (the GP)they run themselves as a stand alone event with BEARS invited IIRC.

Plus the average age of most riders I see is beyond what you would expect riding in a National class.....so I'm not sure how many they are pulling away from the National champ classes.

Irrespective of all this, the total entrants at any of the events are way down this year, all over the nationals.

Granted they are not National Championship series as such but they do still have a National title and a series for the number 1 plate for each class.I wasnt suggesting they would be interested in racing say for arguments sake 600s or superbikes rather that if its going too have a National champion status that it should be run with the other National classes therefore increasing the number of entrants at the National rounds.The very last thing the sport needs is more classes,Formula 400/5 year old 600s what next??A special class for people born on the 29th of Feb or maybe all those with blonde hair FFS.How much cheaper do you suppose its going too be to race a 5yr old 600???

[Str8 Jacket]

Granted they are not National Championship series as such but they do still have a National title and a series for the number 1 plate for each class.I wasnt suggesting they would be interested in racing say for arguments sake 600s or superbikes rather that if its going too have a National champion status that it should be run with the other National classes therefore increasing the number of entrants at the National rounds.The very last thing the sport needs is more classes,Formula 400/5 year old 600s what next??A special class for people born on the 29th of Feb or maybe all those with blonde hair FFS.How much cheaper do you suppose its going too be to race a 5yr old 600???

You forgot the "Girls Class"

[Squid69]

I'm not sure I understand you. Are you saying do away with Clubmans at Club level or at National level? I'm not to sure you can just enter a Nationals event without having raced before which could be a hitch.
VMCC ran the open twins to get all those RS250's, TZ's, BEARs, Posties and all those other twins out there. You saw the result - is $250 entry too much for a one-off chance to race the old (possibly now-without-a-class) bike? I didn't think so. But hardly anyone took the opportunity.

Definatly NOT at club level! that is where it should be.

Open twins had 6 or 7? bikes in? Imagine if you had even 20 mad at it guys from club level f2/f1 racing for entry fees. (probably more than they have won before in a race)
If the thing was done on one day you could halve the entry fee too. I assume this is why the nationals have larger fees than a typical one day club round?
and you would have an extra hour for the main classes on the 2nd day.

[Squid69]

Granted they are not National Championship series as such but they do still have a National title and a series for the number 1 plate for each class.I wasnt suggesting they would be interested in racing say for arguments sake 600s or superbikes rather that if its going too have a National champion status that it should be run with the other National classes therefore increasing the number of entrants at the National rounds.The very last thing the sport needs is more classes,Formula 400/5 year old 600s what next??A special class for people born on the 29th of Feb or maybe all those with blonde hair FFS.How much cheaper do you suppose its going too be to race a 5yr old 600???

I was not proposing it as an extra class. Was more of an idea to attract more 600/1000 club guys to the event. ones that otherwise wont bother even taking the weekend off and watching.

[SWERVE]

i agree that mnz/nth is clubs should definately look long and hard at Streetstock.
yes it may look pretty sedate after the other class............ but this IS WHERE THE REAL YOUNG TALENT IS.
And the long term future of the sport. I did some coaching last weekend at the ruapuna track day, this was the 1st time i had been out with my 14yr old son since he started competitive racing. He has only done 4 meetings (inc one nat rd) His improvement/skill level was to be modest *F*#@Kn UNREAL.
Not forgetting all the other junior riders who are all so talented at their age it leaves me speechless.
By the way i had decided to do both levels & Ruapuna rounds in 600sp (even thou i would have been well at the back) however a big crash in Dec and a 675 in pieces in Jan.............. Thats my excuse.
My lad will be at all sth is nat rounds next year (and nth is if they see sense)
Also will be at all sth is club rounds too (whatever it takes)
He has been told that he can ride the 675 when he gets his adult race licence.................... and soon as he can lap quicker than me the bike is his................ better make use of the short time i have left wiv me bike eh.

[Skunk]

Definatly NOT at club level! that is where it should be.

Open twins had 6 or 7? bikes in? Imagine if you had even 20 mad at it guys from club level f2/f1 racing for entry fees. (probably more than they have won before in a race)
If the thing was done on one day you could halve the entry fee too. I assume this is why the nationals have larger fees than a typical one day club round?
and you would have an extra hour for the main classes on the 2nd day.

I don't think we would get 20 extra guys racing. In spite of the general cries of 'I can't afford it' they really mean something else. I don't think the entry fee is the whole issue. Things such as being lapped are.

i agree that mnz/nth is clubs should definately look long and hard at Streetstock.
yes it may look pretty sedate after the other class............ but this IS WHERE THE REAL YOUNG TALENT IS.
My lad will be at all sth is nat rounds next year (and nth is if they see sense)

VMCC have done Streetstocks before. This time they tried something different. Granted, it didn't work. Streetstocks aren't the best adverts at National meets. Damn right about full classes and helping those starting racing. That's why they should be treated the same as Clubmans. (Not disdain or anything like that - just as a novice class. Not really National level stuff.) I have no idea on a substitute for Nationals though...

[Squid69]

I don't think we would get 20 extra guys racing. In spite of the general cries of 'I can't afford it' they really mean something else. I don't think the entry fee is the whole issue. Things such as being lapped are.

well if you had this feeder class, then your going to get those types in a seperate, slightly slower race, for half price...
Then id say a few would stay and watch the next day, providing a few more spectators... The top few will get into the next event, free. Thus turning up to the next round too.

With only 16 people turning up to racve i think that even 5 more is a good thing...

[cowpoos]

To those that weren't there at Paeroa, it was suggested by officials at the riders briefing that the last round of the Nationals at Pukekohe was currently NOT a viable meeting financially due to lack of entries.

I've not entered yet but will be tomorrow and anyone else that hasn't needs to.

If this meeting were to be cancelled it would be a very black day for National road racing in NZ.

I hate to say it...but it wouldn't be a big loss.

On one hand you will have good racing!! no doubt about it.

but as a spectator...you will have

Shit food, shit facilities, shit toliets...which will be dirty!!
A very dangerous track!! and heavy rain forcast for sunday.


Can't wait for hampton downs....hope they open specilist catering facilities...so people can ge decent food...drinks [no only limited to coke and fanta]
The last nationals at puke....probally won't be remember for very long...

[gammaguy]

i doubt many of us will miss pukekohe.

lets hope we can make hampton downs a great motorcycle track.

[Kickaha]

and heavy rain forcast for sunday.

Yes please we need at leat one wet round

The last nationals at puke....

fucking Hallelujah my prayers have been answered after all

[Billy]

You forgot the "Girls Class"

Oooh yea,Now you got me.G strings compulsory

[koba]

I have a limited ammount of time and money I can pour into racing each year.
I COULD afford to do a national round but If I can only afford to do so many events a year I'm going to pick and choose and I will go for the ones that are the best for me to do, the nationals are not that high on the list at the moment.
Other events get my vote first.

Good on Vic Club for trying somthing new with the open twins, I don't think it really worked but at least they are trying different angles to try make it all work.

[MadDuck]

Oooh yea,Now you got me.G strings compulsory

Hmmm....I guess the marshalls will be required to carry "heart" pills

[Billy]

Hmmm....I guess the marshalls will be required to carry "heart" pills

For who?Them or us

[lostinflyz]

why the hell isn't streetstock a national class??? Theres lots of people doing it and generally some pretty action packed racing going on. 9 times out of 10 its the racing with the most racing going on. a national level class full of competitive kids (and adults) would be a good sight, and more than likely the only class with a long list of competitive entries (well certainly more than the max 5 or 6 in ALL national classes at the moment)