A serious question for the more experienced riders amongst you.

[BigOne]

Sky-hi, to lend you my experience- I came back to biking after 20 years, at 45.
I bought an Sv650, rode it for nearly 7 years, and then moved on to a GSX1400. I loved the SV's lightness and handling, in fact the suspension is not up to much, but I improved this with an Ohlins shock and Racetech fork emulators. Eventually, I binned it, but it wasn't the bike's fault. Hot tar.
I love the 1400, it 's got torque for Africa, in hindsight I should have sold the SV and bought the 1400 a year or two ago.
With bigger/heavier/more powerful bikes, you have to think further ahead, plan more, and more than anything, don't outride your ability.

[lostinflyz]

Na I have tried everything in 2nd snapping full open and it wont pull.
Anyone actually have a cbr 1000 rr fireblade here?

if you've got a 1000rr and snap it in 2nd she'll damn well come up. unless its fucked or you holding yourself way up over the front (and i mean waaaayyyy up over the front)

ive just got me a 954 and snap that open from shut taps in the power band and itll go all sorts of ape shit

[lostinflyz]

and for your info a slipper clutch is to limit back torque. i.e. when you downshift the motor stops making your rear wheel want to propel you toward the horizon and decides its better if it tries to stop the bike immediatly and propel solely you towards the horizon.

This is commonly felt on a race track (you've gotta have a pretty sizeable size of testicles/ fucking idiot to notice on the road) when you reach the end of the straight and try banging your 1000cc bike down the box, It'll decide to jump and bounce all over the show esp. if your not used to a big bike down shifting down gears. but it has no influence on throttle torque as it only limits torque in a single direction, that being torque going back into the motor, not from the motor.

[Brett]

It sounds obvious to me, but I should probably point it out for bladeslapper... I hope you aren't trying to do power wheelies from first on a thou... not recommended. If you want to do power wheelies, start in 2nd, probably around 100kph ish should do, shut, snap open, should get the weight shifting around nicely, and up she will come.

Brett... you just need a nice euro brand bike. It gets plugged into the computers, new fuel map into the oem ecu, and it de-restricts the first 3 gears. Now, you'd have to be an idiot not to get it up to balance point... pity 1st is a bit short compared to sportsbikes...

I was really impressed with you bikes, even just from that one little squirt I had on it back in November of last year...very nice machine. Not sure I will keep the sportsbike thing going (road riding) and would be much more interested in something like your bike.

[Brett]

and for your info a slipper clutch is to limit back torque. i.e. when you downshift the motor stops making your rear wheel want to propel you toward the horizon and decides its better if it tries to stop the bike immediatly and propel solely you towards the horizon.

This is commonly felt on a race track (you've gotta have a pretty sizeable size of testicles/ fucking idiot to notice on the road) when you reach the end of the straight and try banging your 1000cc bike down the box, It'll decide to jump and bounce all over the show esp. if your not used to a big bike down shifting down gears. but it has no influence on throttle torque as it only limits torque in a single direction, that being torque going back into the motor, not from the motor.

Agreed. I suppose the inverse to a slipper clutch would be traction control.

[LBD]

DO you think a 1000cc bike is "too much" for someone as their first "big" bike (ie, first bike on a full license)

YES

That would be the measured distance between the begining of said piece of string and the end of said piece of string.

In a straight line or in a circle...if you fold the universe in on itself....Relativity, length depends on the position of the observer in relation to the observed...

[Bladeslapper109]

if you've got a 1000rr and snap it in 2nd she'll damn well come up. unless its fucked or you holding yourself way up over the front (and i mean waaaayyyy up over the front)

ive just got me a 954 and snap that open from shut taps in the power band and itll go all sorts of ape shit

Well its not fucked it rides and engines goes lovely. but I expected it to pull up easy like you have just explained but it is not like that at all.

Dont know why its under powered

[davebullet]

Not sure I caught why you want a 1000cc motorcycle. Are you worried you'll outgrow a lesser capacity machine? Is there a power or torque target you have in mind?

For me - the SV650 with 70hp at the crank is more than enough to do the commuter job. It pulls away easily and safely when you need to overtake. It is light and nimble enough compared to my VTR250 (not a lot of difference) = quicker turn in and not the extra planning required as mentioned by the guy above with the 1400. Also nimbleness helps whe parking or moving the thing around / backing when commuting.

In my opinion you'd have more fun and be better off spending less money on a smaller bike (ie. 600 or so) then spend the rest you would have spent on the thou' with suspension upgrades on the 600.

Dave.

[Hitcher]

Mid-size bikes seriously rock (said he who has recently moved from a 1300 to a 750).

[325rocket]

Well its not fucked it rides and engines goes lovely. but I expected it to pull up easy like you have just explained but it is not like that at all.

Dont know why its under powered

no offense but i think the problem might be nut size. my 600 will power wheelie in 2nd so your 1000 shouldnt have a problem.

[Bladeslapper109]

no offense but i think the problem might be nut size. my 600 will power wheelie in 2nd so your 1000 shouldnt have a problem.

dont get what you mean by nut size. I give that bike everything its got.

Got it up today is second but took a lot of work.
Im sure it should be much easier.

Do vavle clearances change much by the 24K service time

[Bladeslapper109]

I think my wheelie problem in higher gears is the gearing.
Didnt even think about it till the old man reminded me.

Got about 39 on the back which i think is 41 standard and gets higher on the 06 model.

Will change them next time round and see how much difference it makes

[madbikeboy]

Or you could buy a GSXR1000 and wheelstand off the gas in any of the first 3 gears. Have you been filling your front tire with concrete or lead?

The front on a modern 1000 sports will rise faster than ICBM - I think there's a pilot issue, sir.

[Weta]

Yeah I'd tread carefully, especially if ur doing a commute. I recently swapped my SV1000 for a Gsxr1000 and find the Gixer almost friendlier in traffic, the Vtwin power while torquey is quite lumpy at low speeds, meaning a little too much throttle and it lurches( a bit). If you're light fisted the inline fours really smooth. I'd go a 600 first, maybe a monster Duc if u like the Italian. aprilla's are a thing of beauty. good luck - be safe.

[Bladeslapper109]

Or you could buy a GSXR1000 and wheelstand off the gas in any of the first 3 gears. Have you been filling your front tire with concrete or lead?

The front on a modern 1000 sports will rise faster than ICBM - I think there's a pilot issue, sir.

Where is the skill required in snapping throttle to full. it will not lift.