Unitec disgrace

[Finn]

What traffic problem

The traffic problem when I take my car to work.

[Marmoot]

No, seriously. The next big thing would be a law university for the deaf-and-mute.

Pardon?

What about the mentally disabled? Why doesn't law or engineering courses have materials that suit the mentally disabled people?

Simple because a mentally disabled person...excluding some....would not have the intellect to do the course..no different to say me as I know I coulld not do a Law Degree / Eng. Degree.

This is not discrimination. This guy is different because he has a brain so has te ability to learn.

Saying mentally disabled person to not have the intellect is just like saying a physically disabled person to not have the legs. If one is discrimination then the other is too.

I wasn't talking about the university not accepting them here though. I was merely pointing out why law universities don't have mentally-disabled-friendly materials ready, if we assume engineering department should have disabled facilities ready. Both cases involve disabled allowances and university departments, so crucify one or crucify none.
If the law university is acceptable to not have been prepared for mentally-disabled student, maybe it should be acceptable for the engineering department not to be prepared for disabled student either.
Improvements would great, sure! But there shouldn't be anything "disgraceful" about it in the first place if the original design didn't take into account all the anomalies which may occur at later stages.

I'm not putting them down, and I do have respect on those who really want to progress, but oh come on. The political correctness of crucifying anyone who doesn't have a disabled toilet is just a bit insane.

No it is not. Nothing about being PC, just basic Human Rights

Basic Human Rights would lead to recommendations and improvements. Media circus, sensationalism or legal proceedings belong to Political Correctness category.

If Unitec hadn't accepted him to the course just because of his disabilities, now that's something different.

Worse, yes. But then you are surely arguing your own point?

Not arguing my own point. Read the first paragraph above. Disabled toilet unavailability (i.e., lack of facility) is an oversight, pissing in the bowl is his own choice (Unitec didn't force him to), and nothing discriminating or disgraceful about Unitec's original design, although improvements would be definitely recommended.
Refusing course admittance (i.e., not allowing someone to try) due to disability, however, is definitely discrimination.
There is a fundamental difference between the two issues.

I think the society and media are overreacting. That's what I mean by the society needs to HTFU and stop sensationalising this as juicy news.

[Grahameeboy]

The traffic problem when I take my car to work.

You must be the only motorcyclist in Auckland who takes his car to work then....

[Marmoot]

You must be the only motorcyclist in Auckland who takes his car to work then....

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[Grahameeboy]

Saying mentally disabled person to not have the intellect is just like saying a physically disabled person to not have the legs. If one is discrimination then the other is too.

No because you are talking about different types of disability which have different issues, pros and cons, possible outcomes etc

I wasn't talking about the university not accepting them here though. I was merely pointing out why law universities don't have mentally-disabled-friendly materials ready, if we assume engineering department should have disabled facilities ready. Both cases involve disabled allowances and university departments, so crucify one or crucify none.

Facilities and Learning Material are 2 different things. Take a DS person...they would not be able too be a Lawyer...or an engineer responsible for people...horse for courses still applies and is not discriminating...otherwise ends up being reverse discrimination

If the law university is acceptable to not have been prepared for mentally-disabled student, maybe it should be acceptable for the engineering department not to be prepared for disabled student either.
Improvements would great, sure! But there shouldn't be anything "disgraceful" about it in the first place if the original design didn't take into account all the anomalies which may occur at later stages.



Basic Human Rights would lead to recommendations and improvements. Media circus, sensationalism or legal proceedings belong to Political Correctness category.

And how do these things happen...


Not arguing my own point. Read the first paragraph above. Disabled toilet unavailability (i.e., lack of facility) is an oversight, pissing in the bowl is his own choice (Unitec didn't force him to), and nothing discriminating or disgraceful about Unitec's original design, although improvements would be definitely recommended.

Why was bowl his own choice...what other choice did he have other than peeing in his pants...

Refusing course admittance (i.e., not allowing someone to try) due to disability, however, is definitely discrimination.
There is a fundamental difference between the two issues.

Agree but the reverse can happen if you give someone the chance when their disability prevents a successful outcome anyway. Better to give them something they can do well and give them satisfaction etc

I think the society and media are overreacting. That's what I mean by the society needs to HTFU and stop sensationalising this as juicy news.

Well I had to HTFU for my Daughter...that's life..if you need something you will not do it being apathetic...at end of the day my taking the cross, the Herald doing an article has got what this guy needs so as far as I am concerned the right outcome has been achieved for him and others to come...whatever it takes

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[Grahameeboy]

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No is was aimed at Finn's comment on a previous thread...I was just reversing things

[The Stranger:Me]

Saying mentally disabled person to not have the intellect is just like saying a physically disabled person to not have the legs. If one is discrimination then the other is too.

Lets face it Marmoot, this thread is not about a cripple wanting to become an electrician, or about Unitec.

It's so as people can assuage their white middle class guilt and at a very attractive cost to themselves - nothing.

It's a win win situation, warm fuzzies for free.

[Marmoot]

Basic Human Rights would lead to recommendations and improvements. Media circus, sensationalism or legal proceedings belong to Political Correctness category.

And how do these things happen...

Oh don't be naive....

Why was bowl his own choice...what other choice did he have other than peeing in his pants...

Crutches can go up stairs and through small doorways.

Refusing course admittance (i.e., not allowing someone to try) due to disability, however, is definitely discrimination.
There is a fundamental difference between the two issues.

Agree but the reverse can happen if you give someone the chance when their disability prevents a successful outcome anyway. Better to give them something they can do well and give them satisfaction etc

I believe if they genuinely believe they should try then you should let them try. It's better to die knowing you tried than to live knowing you should've.

if you need something you will not do it being apathetic

Good for you. But let's be honest, you don't really think NZ Herald cares a cent about this man do you?
Hell, the editors would probably screw their own daughters and make a juicy news about it if they are allowed to keep their jobs afterwards.

"Hey boss, a disabled man had to pee in a bowl" - "Good news!!"
"Hey boss, a cop shot an innocent man" - "Good news!!"
"Hey boss, fuel price dropped by 4 cents" - "That's nothing. Just make a paragraph and stuff it online. I'm not gonna put that on the front page"

I need a barf bag.....

[Marmoot]

Lets face it Marmoot, this thread is not about a cripple wanting to become an electrician, or about Unitec.

If it were, I wouldn't be posting here would I?

[Jorja]

I have a 10 year old who at times can't walk. I struggle to carry him on bad days. I have even seen him dragging himself across the floor to get to the bathroom. Fortunately he has more good days than bad.

I got a phone call from school one day to come and pick him up. I had been to see them in the morning and carried him to his seat in class. The other kids had helped carry him around most of the morning and they had a physio therapist at school who had tried to help but it was putting alot of extra pressure on the teacher and other students.

I guess I could have said that the school had to look after him as every child deserves an education but I was happy that they had tried to make it work.

Yes everone deserves to be able to further their education in which ever field they choose and yes most old buildings are not fitted with wheelchair access. Mostly because of the cost involved.
Did the Unitec know when this guy applied he was in a wheel chair? If not it was up to him to inform them and ask about facilities. If they did they should have sat down with him before the course started and decided how they were going to accomodate him.

When we looked at moving into a two storey house the first thing we did was sit down with our son and discuss how to make it work for all of us.

[Grahameeboy]

Oh don't be naive....

Based on personal experience I am not.




Crutches can go up stairs and through small doorways.

He is in a wheelchair



I believe if they genuinely believe they should try then you should let them try. It's better to die knowing you tried than to live knowing you should've.

An old adage...



Good for you. But let's be honest, you don't really think NZ Herald cares a cent about this man do you?

Well they wrote a story about it

Hell, the editors would probably screw their own daughters and make a juicy news about it if they are allowed to keep their jobs afterwards.

"Hey boss, a disabled man had to pee in a bowl" - "Good news!!"
"Hey boss, a cop shot an innocent man" - "Good news!!"
"Hey boss, fuel price dropped by 4 cents" - "That's nothing. Just make a paragraph and stuff it online. I'm not gonna put that on the front page"

I need a barf bag.....

Eh?

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[Grahameeboy]

I have a 10 year old who at times can't walk. I struggle to carry him on bad days. I have even seen him dragging himself across the floor to get to the bathroom. Fortunately he has more good days than bad.

I got a phone call from school one day to come and pick him up. I had been to see them in the morning and carried him to his seat in class. The other kids had helped carry him around most of the morning and they had a physio therapist at school who had tried to help but it was putting alot of extra pressure on the teacher and other students.

I guess I could have said that the school had to look after him as every child deserves an education but I was happy that they had tried to make it work.

Yes everone deserves to be able to further their education in which ever field they choose and yes most old buildings are not fitted with wheelchair access. Mostly because of the cost involved.
Did the Unitec know when this guy applied he was in a wheel chair? If not it was up to him to inform them and ask about facilities. If they did they should have sat down with him before the course started and decided how they were going to accomodate him.

When we looked at moving into a two storey house the first thing we did was sit down with our son and discuss how to make it work for all of us.

What I was trying to explain is complex.

Yes they did know he was in a wheelchair. It makes sense to me just hard to get out

You are in Massey...how old is your Boy...is it just physical. Does he have a wheelchair? Would he be able to use a powered wheelchair...

Offer to help please as it sound like you are not getting what you should be getting... pm me..

[Marmoot]

Crutches can go up stairs and through small doorways.

He is in a wheelchair

I know he's in a wheelchair. Is he glued in though?

I believe if they genuinely believe they should try then you should let them try. It's better to die knowing you tried than to live knowing you should've.

An old adage...

One that is true. No one should think about how to live your life except yourself.

Good for you. But let's be honest, you don't really think NZ Herald cares a cent about this man do you?

Well they wrote a story about it

Hell, the editors would probably screw their own daughters and make a juicy news about it if they are allowed to keep their jobs afterwards.

"Hey boss, a disabled man had to pee in a bowl" - "Good news!!"
"Hey boss, a cop shot an innocent man" - "Good news!!"
"Hey boss, fuel price dropped by 4 cents" - "That's nothing. Just make a paragraph and stuff it online. I'm not gonna put that on the front page"

I need a barf bag.....

Eh?

You are naive....

[Littleman]

Lets face it Marmoot, this thread is not about a cripple wanting to become an electrician, or about Unitec.

It's so as people can assuage their white middle class guilt and at a very attractive cost to themselves - nothing.

It's a win win situation, warm fuzzies for free.

Grahameeboy = Bono

[Jorja]

What I was trying to explain is complex.

Yes they did know he was in a wheelchair. It makes sense to me just hard to get out

You are in Massey...how old is your Boy...is it just physical. Does he have a wheelchair? Would he be able to use a powered wheelchair...

Offer to help please as it sound like you are not getting what you should be getting... pm me..

Thanks for the offer Graham but actually 99% of the time he is a healthy active 10 year old. he has arthritis and on a bad day he can't put any weight on his knees. I did get him a cane and we have a pair of crutches but mostly he is fine so long as he doesn't over do things.
There is a small chance he will grow out of it. As for a wheel chair, I prefer him to stay active. So long as we keep it under control, he should never need one.

What annoys me is lack of funding for physio cause that would greatly benefit him.